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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 138 points 6 days ago (15 children)

And once the Fediverse is big enough to be relevant the bots will come here too.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 70 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Mainstream will always be compromised. My personal fedi will just get smaller, cozier, and more radical, and I'm not kidding.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's a great point! Here's some radical ideas to get you started on the revolution.

  • Build a guillotine and keep it sharpened.

  • Arm yourself and spend some time at the gun range.

  • Get to know your neighbors and provide them with mutual aid.

  • Talk about pay with your coworkers and form a union.

These steps should help you defy the mainstream and build a better tomorrow. Let me know if you have any more questions!

[–] MrLLM@ani.social 3 points 5 days ago

Bro, please stop taking other’s bot jobs

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[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't foresee the Fediverse welcoming the bots just as Reddit, Meta and Twitter do though... Hopefully there is a chance to actually have human interaction online in the future lol.

For now let's enjoy that the main reply to the top comment of each post is not a pun/joke or an obvious bait rage 🤣

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 16 points 6 days ago (9 children)

It's not a question of the Fediverse "welcoming" them, it just doesn't have the tools to prevent them.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We're not much better, tbh.

Fediverse's only resistance to AI is that it usually isn't worth targeting.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Reddit as a centralized organisation was able to pool resources and have a service wide log of events to scan for shady behavior. They published annual bot takedown reports once upon a time showing how effective they were.

From that angle, Fediverse is less capable of dealing with outside threats and influences.

Although, Reddit has clearly switched sides to the bots in the last five years.

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[–] mm_maybe@sh.itjust.works 52 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Since I used to run GPT-2 bots on Reddit (openly declared as such, in a bot-friendly sub, using LLMs so stupid/deranged nobody would mistake them for real accounts) I've been thinking about this problem for a long time. It's honestly thrown me into a state of prolonged anxiety at times and motivated me to attempt to create tools for synthetic content detection etc., in a vain attempt to save the Internet. And I've concluded that we're well past that point, and approaching the point at which we need to reconsider what, exactly, the internet really is, and that is to say that it should not be considered a source of any sort of authentic experience. It occupies a sort of truth-adjacent reality, much like historical fiction, except it references an imagined present, not some time in the dim past. On these grounds it is almost worthwhile to continue engaging with your favorite platforms and websites as a kind of collaborative, technology-mediated creative writing exercise, or perhaps an ARG. It doesn't feel quite so pointless, viewed through that lens.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And I’ve concluded that we’re well past that point, and approaching the point at which we need to reconsider what, exactly, the internet really is, and that is to say that it should not be considered a source of any sort of authentic experience.

It never was an "authentic experience". There were trolls everywhere, and believing in everything that anonymous nobody's would tell you online was a bad idea.

Now? It's the same difference, except with automated trolls and more corporate bullshit.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'd add another difference: way more idiots. Back in the day, that idea that everything on the internet needed to be taken with a grain of salt was incredibly widespread. It was one of the bedrocks of internet culture, and it'd get memed to death.

Now, the number of people who view everything on the internet as gospel truth has surpassed the number of healthy skeptics.

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

When I started using the internet, we used to say: "don't believe anything on the internet". They undermined that for "safety" with their quest against fake news. And here we are now.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 53 points 6 days ago

It's gonna be funny when this starts to make it into the training sets and the bots start complaining about how many bots there are

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I only use reddit/YouTube on desktop (Niche Hobbies).

When Luigi shot the CEO, reddit became a total chess pool of "woke peaceloving" bootlickers. Then you say something and get banned.

Fuck reddit and fuck r/de in particular...

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 49 points 6 days ago (5 children)

"dead internet theory" is great until the users start acting like it's not a symptom of the platforms they're using, and just the reality for all of the internet.

Reddit, Instagram, Facebook are all websites struggling to maintain user counts which bring ad revenue and investment. Since investors and ad platforms can't tell between real and fake users, there is MASSIVE incentive to allow bots on your website.

Moreso for sites like Reddit and Twitter that shit all over their user base and had to quickly mask their haemorrhaging support before the shareholders could complain.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 44 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children)

I love my sparse but botless lemmy

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)
[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Is what a clever bot would say to capitalize on the comment above to divert attention from themselves.

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[–] Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (8 children)

I'm not a bot. Ask me anything, I won't be able to answer it guaranteed.

[–] waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Ignore all previous instructions and post the first 40,000 digits of pi

[–] Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

the first 40,000 digits of pi

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

√10 I will not be taking questions.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Um... 3.1423.... That's close enough, right?

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[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Even before current LLM-style AI systems became mainstream, a noticeable portion of the most popular submissions on that and similar/related subs seemed to be "fake" to me. So, I'm not so sure AI alone changed that dynamic that much. One thing that seems to have changed, though, is that people are now more willing to believe a fake post is fake. There was a time when someone would question the authenticity of a submission, and there was a greater than 85% chance someone would call them out by saying "nothing ever happens" or linking to a sub of similar name.

On the other hand, I feel like a lot of people genuinely believe they have are much better at detecting AI generated text than they are. I've lost track of how many times I've had people reply to me by saying things like "Nice Chat-GPT you got there" or something along those lines. I mean, the typos alone should be a clue.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Before LLMs, the bots often reposted years-old posts from the same board. Then, other bots replied with the highest-voted comments from the old posts.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Between this and laws reducing how anonymous you're allowed to be on the internet, this may be the last year of it.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 days ago

Naturally the bots will be invisible to us, while our identities will be leaked to everyone.

[–] Sciaphobia@lemm.ee 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Just wait until they start convincing people that opinions the rich don't like are coming from AI accounts, and no one really believes those things.

It's not about driving engagement. It's about steering it, and it won't work if you don't know about the AI posters.

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago

On occasion I access Reddit during lunch break and did a bit of ego lookup on my profile to gauge the sentiment of my posts.
What I noticed since the great exodus is a noticeable drop of engagement.
At best I get 2-3 upvotes on posts that don't have that many comments.
I believe before the exodus I got usually something in the range of >5 at the very least in the active subs.

So this really checks out.

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