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No state has a longer, more profit-driven history of contracting prisoners out to private companies than Alabama. With a sprawling labor system that dates back more than 150 years — including the brutal convict leasing era that replaced slavery — it has constructed a template for the commercialization of mass incarceration.

Most jobs are inside facilities, where the state’s inmates — who are disproportionately Black — can be sentenced to hard labor and forced to work for free doing everything from mopping floors to laundry. But more than 10,000 inmates have logged a combined 17 million work hours outside Alabama’s prison walls since 2018, for entities like city and county governments and businesses that range from major car-part manufacturers and meat-processing plants to distribution centers for major retailers like Walmart, the AP determined.

https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-investigation-alabama-3b2c7e414c681ba545dc1d0ad30bfaf5

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[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 3 points 20 minutes ago

I put it to you that this might, with a few tweaks, actually be a step in the right direction. I'd rather be at work than in prison. Community service is a thing. This is clearly coming at it backwards on pretty much every count, but there's a kernel of a good idea in there.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 61 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Yep. And it’s perfectly legal, because the US never banned slavery.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

I think we’re one of the only countries in the world who still has legal slavery. Pretty awful.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

There are a few sharia lands and a bunch of not-yet-sharia lands with like half the population dreaming of it.

Taken together - a huge chunk of the globe.

There are also a few countries where the Western concept of slavery wouldn't work, but with pretty feudal-despotic cultural legacy, like, ahem, Japan and Thailand and what not, which may have something similar to slavery again in future.

So I wouldn't say USA is that different.

And in Russia there are whole small towns functional because of prison colony facilities there where prisoners work.

Still, prisoners working for private companies with prisons collecting their wages, - seems kinda uncomfortably close. Because, yes, if they are safe enough to be let out into society, they are safe enough to not be prisoners.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 15 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Anytime you see one of those “silly laws” - stuff about not being able to ride a horse on Sunday or whatever - that’s why. “Vagrancy” laws were basically put in place to funnel black men into legal enslavement.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 6 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Why do they call it "land of the free" again?

[–] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 23 minutes ago

“They Thought They Were Free: [German society 1933-1945]”

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Cognitive dissonance. Discrimination is illegal, so obviously anyone who experiences it is crazy or lying. Clearly, they should have just followed the law against selling loose cigarettes if they didn’t want to die.

[–] gaael@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Sounds like gaslighting.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

For the same reason narcissists like to say they're the best.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 38 points 10 hours ago

America calling slavery slavery challenge impossible!

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 127 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Yes, convict leasing was designed to be a direct replacement for slavery. It was used that way right after slavery ended when you could arrest a black person for anything you could think of. No job? Arrested, leased. No home? Arrested, leased. Etc....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convict_leasing

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I guess it became more egalitarian and less racist though? One can say they failed to end slavery, but they managed to end exclusively black slavery.

So it turns out that USA is actually not land of the free, but land of the equal. Seems what they like to accuse USSR of. Those damned commies.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago (1 children)

If by "more egalitarian" you mean "less blatantly racist", the sure.

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/2023-demographic-differences-federal-sentencing

And if you want to get more details, watch like any episodes of John Oliver.

America is not "the land of the equal".

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

I was joking

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 58 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

So slavey never ended! Cool cool. Totally not a corporate dictatorship masquerading as a democracy...

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 27 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

the laws never pretended it ended. the thirteenth ammendment very plainly allows it:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

emphasis mine. it never said you can't have slavery any more, it just said if you're gonna do slavery you have to convict someone first.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Not saying it's not true, but it was pretty much in the spirit of English legal tradition. This probably even wasn't a huge point of contention when written.

If that part is changed, no kind of convict labor (or "public work" or whatever it's called in Europe and elsewhere) will be legal. All the convicts will do is rot in the same building for many months and years.

Without some deep prison reform you'll have an increase in suicides and mental health cases. I've spent only 10 days in a mental hospital (from medical commission for conscript service, I live in Russia), and every opportunity to go do something unusual was happiness there. Even to help nurses with carrying somewhere some vaguely piss-smelling bed sheets in bags. It was nothing like prison. It was nothing like a usual mental hospital even. Still boredom gets you.

Like I said, without a deep reform. With said deep reform - convict labor being allowed only with competitive wages somehow limited in use (say, only available upon release?), so that these wouldn't go to overpriced prison goods or something like that to indirectly reproduce slave labor, - then yes.

Actually, about prison goods - I think prisons can afford to provide inmates with a free delivery service, while what they buy they pay for themselves. Prisons in general shouldn't sell anything to inmates or buy anything from them, the power imbalance is unacceptable. Or maybe it won't be a free delivery service, just prison authorities will be obligated to accept those deliveries.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That’s how propagandized Americans are. lmfao They act as if this is some shadowy hidden part of our culture

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It's not like you'd expect people to be closely acquainted with an obscure legal document like the constitution.

Oh, wait...

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 hours ago

Dylan roof got Burger King and Luigi is facing terrorism charges and the death penalty.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yup, it never ended, it just rebranded
I believe it's called neoslavery, I think the last privately (legally) owned slave was released in 1946 if i recall correctly, now the only legal slavery is prisons

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 146 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

It's legal per the 13th Amendment.

Doesn't make it right, and it says a lot about how little both parties value human rights that it's allowed to stand.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 61 points 13 hours ago

Oh, that's nothing. Ever wonder who tough on crime legislation actually benefits, and who's lobbying for it?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Government: "WELL ACHSHUALLY, They aren't slaves because they consented...

~under~ ~the~ ~threat~ ~of~ ~23~ ~hour~ ~solitary~ ~confinement~ ~with~ ~zero~ ~amenities~ ~and~ ~nothing~ ~to~ ~do~ ~and~ ~shitty~ ~food~ ~and~ ~absolute~ ~boredom~~,~ ~and~ ~practically~ ~psychological~ ~torture"~

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

Oh no that's most states. Alabama is straight up sentencing them to labor. There's not even a fiction of them volunteering.

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[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 22 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah it was written that way in order to have slaves with extra steps

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[–] arin@lemmy.world 17 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This is how states fight wildfires

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

And then they don't qualify to work as firefighters after they are released.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 66 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

"dates back more than 150 years"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Interesting timeframe

[–] Forester@yiffit.net 31 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

Meet the new boss. 🎵

Same as the old boss🎵

[–] beliquititious@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Literally in some cases recently freed slaves were arrested for being black and leased back to the same locations where they were enslaved to the same people.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

That’s where our tireless and dedicated police force got started, the racism hasn’t gone anywhere they just have better toys now

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[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 hours ago

If you don't want slavery, then make it illegal. Maybe even make a constitutional amendment.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago
[–] can@sh.itjust.works 16 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

please be satire, please be satire, please be satire

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You must not be American - the thirteenth amendment codifies slavery and involuntary servitude into the constitution.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not, but I am familiar with that but I didn't know it went this far. It's so blatent.

edit: fellow canadian

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 hours ago

Ya, I'm hyperbolizing a little bit... But not really. The 13th amendment is what outlawed black slavery in the United States... But also explicitly allows slavery in the United States:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 27 points 12 hours ago (7 children)

I'm sorry to say the Prison-Industrial Complex is a huge problem, and part of why this country has some of the highest incarceration rates in the world 🙁

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

Companies like Bob Barker (not the tv one) and Sysco are quietly making mountains of cash to supply all those “leasable” inmates with the lowest possible quality food and toiletries. I would love to see a political candidate campaign on repealing the 13th amendment, I doubt it’ll happen any time soon but one can hope.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Brian Thomson is just hibernating, Luigi is hereby acquitted!

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 5 hours ago

Spending a year dead for tax reasons

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