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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 95 points 4 days ago (5 children)

WhY cAnT wE rETAiN oUr TaLeNt!?!- greedy CEOs in the future

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 52 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Future? It's happening now

[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

The future to CEOs is next quarter, next fiscal year is the distant future.

[–] kubica@fedia.io 33 points 4 days ago

"Nobody wants to work anymore."

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 25 points 4 days ago

Yeah. Just read an article explaining that you lose the best talent by forcing RTO and turnover jumps 14%.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 13 points 4 days ago

Retain who? Anyone not in a brick and mortar, or in HQ, is over seas.

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The real talent already built the good stuff. Now, all they need is someone to follow SOP's to maintain and carry on. Improvements and new stuff will take the hit, and they will grow stagnant until someone else starts doing something better, and then they scramble and complain as they start losing money and that's when they start looking for talent again. Except this time, they will just be hired to put in place whatever the other company did and probably be let go after.

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

AT&T hasn't updated toll free routing control in almost 11 years. Their bvoip portal is similarly antiquated. What good stuff have they been developing?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Warner Brothers!

. . . wait

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago

DirecTV!

. . . wait

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 63 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

The slow march of the return to office has taken another step forward

No. 🤬 you ‘Fortune’. You’re just spoon feeding the rich what you think they want to hear.

Amazon and ATT are big but they don’t represent the whole and does not imply return to office is inevitable.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

Back in the 1950s, Amazon and ATT would have been General Motors: an imagined safe, brain-dead corporate sinecure. Nobody entrepreneurial or innovative goes to work at such places. Just technocrats, cogs in the machine. Highly trained functionaries from brand-name universities keeping the juggernaut rolling on. Feeding Moloch.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Where im at, there is literally only two companies in town. Comcast and ATT. No other options. So yeah, I have a choice but not really. They get my money no matter what. Wish we didnt have a duopoly....

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 49 points 4 days ago

Hope they don't like talent. The brain drain continues.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

AT&T owns a lot of corporate real estate. Its fucking with their books so they have to punish everyone so execs look smart.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

It's more that toxic, sociopathic middle managers can't torment remote workers as effectively.

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Justifications to lose employees.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What we need is one big union.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

And proper labor laws. This seems like a no brainer for your environmental goals and reduces congestion, and frees up real estate for re development to Appartments.

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

“The majority of our employees and leaders never stopped working on location for the full work week—including during the pandemic,” a spokesperson told Fortune.

And you...you're proud of this?!

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The majority of my "leaders" have been full remote since pandemic. Of course, they stopped approving full remote immediately after they got theirs.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 3 days ago

Even before

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Doing the bidding of the commercial real estate industry, which is one layer below the banks in the layer cake

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

That makes no sense. Commercial landlords collect rent regardless of how often employees are on site.

The real reason for RTW policies is that companies want to downsize without firing workers (and thus without paying unemployment). Hence:

Amazon CEO Andy Jassy told staff they will need to be back in the office full-time, seemingly pushing 73% of his colleagues to consider quitting over the move

Stankey said 85% of them already lived near one of the offices. The remaining 15%, he said, will have to “make decisions that are appropriate to their lives.”

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Two of my previous employers went out of business or are on their final thread and moved out to some small office somewhere. Those buildings have each been vacant for about 2 years now. Can’t collect rent if no tenants

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Right, but if you have a tenant then you don't care what their WFH policy is.

[–] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Companies that are hybrid and go remote don't renew their commercial real estate contracts.

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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

Oh yeah you do, since your revenue depends on how many asses they expect to be in those seats.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

Commercial landlords collect rent regardless of how often employees are on site.

When leases come up for renewal, rational companies look at how much space they actually need and downsize their office requirements accordingly. That's more or less what my employer is doing now. We own a vast building, but now we've sublet about a third of it.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

Property holdings will always be more important to corporate America than the people that they employ.

[–] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

I’m happy my greedy company closed our office a year ago to save money on the lease. I don’t respect the people in charge but full time WFH is an excellent perk.

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Gotta watch those wage slaves

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It definitely sends a message that "we don't know what those people are doing unless we can see the whites of their eyes and smell the fear-sweat."

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 2 points 3 days ago

Meanwhile, they work from home themselves.

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Performative cruelty, corporate style. Know your place, peasants.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

After the Black Death, laws were passed forcing peasants to remain on the land so that their landlords could keep wages down. But the numbers leaving were too great and enforcement was spotty because the enforcers also had staff shortages. So people gravitated to towns and wages rose.

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My work started demanding the same. I can't do more than 2 days, because my wife works 3 days and we've got to do something with the kids. Two days is what I've been doing since I started working there 3 years ago. Luckily they won't be enforcing it for now. I'm bound to them until summer at least. That's when I plan on finishing my bachelor that they paid for. I love my job, but this (and the bad pay) is forcing me to start looking for something else ASAP.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 8 points 4 days ago

Or start a union

[–] gratux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 days ago

In my company we just went from 2 office days to 1 per week, and the wheel is still turning just fine.

[–] rjthyen@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Can anyone explain to me why companies are pushing RTO? Simply to justify some management positions? Or justify the big buildings they built? To me work from home would have so many advantages for a company and could actually be problematic for some employees. Not only can they save some costs on office space but it opens up their talent pool in a way that could lower wages. They could find someone living in low cost of living middle of nowhere that would do a job for 60k that someone in an expensive city couldn't justify doing for less than 120k.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Its not all. I have found that companies that did not own much real estate have embraced wfh big time and have wound down any contracts they had. Ones stuck with offices they own or maybe long term contracts seem to but I doubt its going to be a good long term call. The only possible usage it might have is to encourage people to quit so you can reduce the workforce without lay offs but that is a crazy strategy as you are losing at best random folks and at worst the best you have.

[–] rjthyen@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I overlooked reducing workforce as a possibility. I'm not in the corporate world at all so I have no actual insight on anything. I've just been confused by something I'd consider a win-win being done away with by a lot of companies.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

yeah everyone is confused with that. Many back to office scenarios have the people sitting in the office video conferencing all day because many of the folks they work with are not at the local office anyway.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

And they're in panopticon bull-pen offices where it's impossible to hear yourself because the people next to you are also shouting on Teams.

That's very much my situation. 3/4 of my staff are from contracting firms based elsewhere. So regardless of where I work, most of my meetings are via video conferencing.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Not like China just totally owned you, right? Yeah, let go of your top talent. Good idea.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Even the customer service representatives in Egypt ?

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

Egypt's gotten too expensive, it's been moved to Borneo.

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