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Grocery prices are expected to rise globally as soil degradation, driven by overfarming, deforestation, and climate change, reduces farmland productivity.

The UN estimates 33% of the world’s soils are degraded, with 90% at risk by 2050. Poor soil forces farmers to use costly fertilizers or abandon fields, raising prices for staples like bread, vegetables, and meat.

Experts advocate for sustainable practices like regenerative agriculture, cover cropping, and reduced tillage to restore soil health.

Innovations and government subsidies could mitigate impacts, but immediate action is critical to ensure food security.

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[–] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I'm gonna fucking uninstall this app I'm having a nervous breakdown fuck off i just want some memes not existential fucking dread GAAAAHHHH

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

"Why is WW3 and world-ending climate change so stressful? Can't you just post memes about Mondays and lasagna?"

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

tell me about it, dude.

We're on the precipice of total collapse. Farmlands failing, Ocean Currents are collapsing, Climate change is accelerating, Intellectuals are being demonized in favor of ignorance and fascism... The possibility of WW3 hanging over us thanks to all of the previous.

the next 20 years are going to be the cursed time that "may you live in interesting times" was talking about.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

How nice of you to conveniently list out all the current events worth having an existential crisis over, in a reply to a person having an existential crisis

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I exist to serve.

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[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 125 points 4 days ago (4 children)

This weeks excuse for the billionaires to increase their take.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 56 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's no joke: conventional Ag is extremely tough on soils, and depletes soil organic matter, and reduces topsoil thickness though ploughing. Add on top of that contamination from various sources (not just Ag) and the picture is bleak.

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

conventional ag

Industrial farming is incredibly harmful to the soil. There are other methods that are far less harmful and can actually be beneficial to soil health, the problem is they don't scale well.

There is a great YouTube channel called No-Till Growers that really goes into some cool farming methods that are much less destructive

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hNyu4_RWGZo

Edit: this is probably a better video and I think it's in a playlist about soil health. But honestly all of his videos are great

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4aZhevnaLWw&list=PLGMgkMLKOtWv0efQXhQtuu01WfWL5yBDf&index=1&pp=iAQB

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Conventional Ag is a method, distinguishing it from regenerative Ag etc.

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[–] b3an@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Right?? My first thought was, another excuse to raise prices and shrinkflate even more. Because that’s the solution! 🤬

[–] emmanuel_car@fedia.io 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And do nothing to fix the problems their capitalism creates.

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[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago

Ahh yes. Our weekly once in a life time crisis. Right on cue.

[–] vikingr@lemmy.world 72 points 4 days ago (4 children)

"Here's how the millennials' love of vegetables is destroying the planet"

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

“Fewer Millennials are farming, and that’s bad for everyone.”

[–] vikingr@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

"Here's why feudalism is the remedy for selfish, lazy millennials."

This is gonna happen, I guarantee it 😂.

This damn country.

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[–] Razzazzika@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago

Dustbowl part Deux: Electric Boogaloo

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Reduced tillage is a big one. There’s a massive misconception out there that the best thing you can do for your soil is go dig it up and turn it over. Soil is alive, and tilling disrupts microbial and fungal action that contribute to its health - by physical rupture of fungal colonies but also by exposing underground life to more sunlight and oxygen. As you kill the top several inches by physical disruption, it becomes dust much more easily washed away by wind and rain: erosion.

We do it to remove weeds before planting, and loosen soil to ease germination. Planting mixed crops or cooperative cover crops are good alternatives for weeds which are massively underused. And overall we may just need to accept some immediate productivity loss in order to ensure long term survival. Farmers are smart, but not smart enough. Too much emphasis on operating tools and fertilizers to optimize yield like land is a machine you can tune, and not enough focus on reducing the need for all this with a more subtle approach with increasing long term yield but perhaps lower yield next year. With farmers always one season away from bankruptcy, you can see why they make the wrong trade offs.

Soil depletion is at the bottom of a lot of civilization collapses in event history. The whole reason the Egyptians lasted as long as they did is that the annual Nile flooding replenished their soil with minerals brought down from higher ground by the flow of water. It wasn’t just the water itself.

[–] Lag@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And overall we may just need to accept some immediate productivity loss in order to ensure long term survival.

I see a massive issue in this plan.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

No till or low toll is pretty much the default on most soil types now, at least on North America and Europe. There some areas where its not the case but I wouldn't judge anyone unless I had many years of experience in their particular environment. Sometimes what looks dumb from outside isn't possible or feasible when you're in the middle of it.

One problem we've found with no till after 20 years is stratification compaction just from rainfall and equipment, even with tramlining. Its starting to seem like it needs a working up every few years, or planting down to forage and more active livestock action. The advantage with that would be better carbon sequestration but its not really profitable if land prices/rent are high in that area.

And yes, in a profession with millions of dollars on the line every season, its really hard to make changes if you're just getting by.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Just use the animal agriculture land instead.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (6 children)

The best thing for the environment and soil health is to not farm it. There is no such thing as environmentally friendly agriculture. It is always destructive.

We farm the land we do because it's profitable.

Irrigated acres make up less than 7% of the land area used for agriculture but produce 65% of the total yield.

Protected culture (greenhouses, high tunnels, etc) produce 10x to 20x more per acre than open field production.

Increasing our water storage and transport infrastructure on a massive scale, combined with expansion of protected culture could reduce our agricultural land requirements by as much as 80%. All wiithout changing our diets.

Imagine 80% of the farmland rewilded? Massive stretches of native ecosystems rebounding without fertilizer or sprays.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There are ways to create sustainable farms. It’s about diversity of crops and cycling what crops are grown each year.

https://www.edibleforestgardens.com/

There is no environmentally friendly factory farming. There is no healthy market-conscious farming. There are absolutely ways to be kind to the earth and grow food for a small community.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We need food for billions not a small community.

Food forest = lower environmental impact per acre but a higher environmental cost per kg of production. It's also highly environmentally irresponsible to add in invasive species, disease, and pests into and established ecosystem. These are all spread by seed, soil, and plant tissue of the crops we grow.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago (6 children)

But…billions make up many small communities. That’s my point. Self-reliance, mutual aid. That’s the answer. Not globalized solutions.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago

[Existential crisis threatening all human life] Oh no, the economy!

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

staples like bread, vegetables, and meat.

One of these is vastly different from the others in terms of planetary destruction.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I know! Bread, right? It's bread. right?

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Of course it's bread. Just think about the energy required to bake them!

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[–] viralJ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why is "unproductive" in quotes?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I guess journalists are finally implying nuance exists.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

dammit i had "new dust bowl" on 2025's bingo, not 2024's

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[–] drspod@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Millennial and Gen-Z soil is 'quiet quitting'"

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Expected to rise? Check your receipts; they’ve been rising.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yes, we know. Everyone knows. But if you think this is bad, you have no idea how much worse it can get.

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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (8 children)

There’s also simply way too many people on earth as it is. My country - one of the smallest on earth- had 15 million people back in 1995. Right now, 30 years later, we’re at 18 million. And in 2037, they’re expecting 19 million.

Small numbers on a global scale, but definitely a lot of growth that’s causing issues. There’s a housing shortage, rising prices, healthcare and pensions are under threat, etc etc.

And there’s places that are much, much worse. For example, even India is encouraging population growth. When the country is still very poor. That’s going to help their economy in the short run, but it’s going to be a much larger problem down the line.

We need a controlled population decline, sooner rather than later.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Either we reduce our population in a controlled way, or nature is going to do it in a brutal one through famine, drought, and disease.

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 4 points 3 days ago

Perfect reason to hand out more BCs. Need to keep the pop for only wanted children. More human than tons of starving unwanted kids.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not many people have mentioned this so I guess I'll bring it up:

The two major factors negatively impacting sustainability of agriculture are

  • Ammonia (NH3) is mined as a way to enrich agriculture with Protein, more specifically the ammonia bonds with nitrogen allowing plant development, but it's not exactly infinite. Synthetic Ammonia can be produced but is extremely emission heavy as it is often a petrochemical byproduct with the vast majority of Hydrogen (H) is produced from fossil fuels refining.

  • Modern Invasive Pests/Disease are commonly spread across continents. Lack of plant biodiversity leads to viral outbreaks called "blights" which can lower or even wipe out entire regions of crops. Invasive species most notably insects can plague regions for years without any natural predators. Globalization and Industrialization have created these hurdles, but the yield of such practices are absolutely necessary to feed the current human population.

There are no solutions except reducing the human population. Which isn't going to happen, because people are stupid animals and the people we've empowered all over the world are morons who cannot read the writing on the wall.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This isn't even true. The carrying capacity of earth for people hasn't been met. We can absolutely engineer things to be both sustainable and livable at current populations. Rhetoric that advises we "depopulate" is borderline neo-fascism, the same stuff Christians say to bring on the apocalypse.

James Cassidy at Oregon State University has his SOIL lecture series on YouTube. We have many ways to repair our soil and to improve farming. Killing people/ "depopulating" isn't one of them. Shame on you.

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well hopefully the world will figure this out, or population On a small scale it's so obvious that soil needs to be managed for a healthy garden or small farm. Big farms just throw down fertilizer (which was a world changing improvement to agriculture) and don't do enough to keep the soil alive and healthy. The headline "poor soil forces fertilizer use" is sort of backwards as it's the industrial farming that's sucked the life out of the soil.

[–] daddy32@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The world will figure it out via mass migrations and war, unfortunately.

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