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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 148 points 1 week ago (4 children)

A Reddit spokesperson, who asked to remain anonymous citing safety concerns, says that manifestos related to violent acts have “long violated our Content Policy” but that “discussion is allowed as long as it doesn’t violate other aspects of our violence policies (e.g., glorification, incitement).”

"You can discuss it, but we don't want you to read the thing you're discussing."

Someone should post the Declaration of Independence, see if that gets removed for being a "manifesto related to violent acts."

Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people.

Those poor, poor marginalized and vulnerable CEOs.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Will it matter if people just go watch a Netflix show where the good guys win & feel better?

[–] p3n@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Yep, definitely inciting violence.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 69 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seems like a textbook example of why federation is better than something owned by some rich assholes

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I think about famous photo of the pirate bay cofounder.

These are the people we want to manage the internet, not someone who blocks information because it pisses off their billionaire friends.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 week ago

Israeli politicians and pundits call for violence and genocide against defenseless civilians in Gaza and nobody bats an eye but one member of a tier of people that make enough money to hire their own private army gets capped, and everyone loses their mind.

If your job requires you to ruin people's lives or cause their untimely death, it is reasonable to assume that you would need private security. I hate to victim blame (not really) but it seems to me that it was UHC CEO's own fault that he got taken out by an amateur. I'd say do better next time but...

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess spez is asking for the UHC treatment.

[–] vpol@lemm.ee 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 1 week ago

Always has been

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

[–] pixelscript@lemm.ee 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That's it? That's the whole thing? This is what all the censorship buzz is all about? This reads like an unremarkable angsty Reddit comment. Every single social platform is filled with countless of these.

I guess this is qualitatively different because this is him describing something he actually did after the fact rather than the meaningless posturing most other people do. At that point though, is it still even "inciting violence"? The violence was already incited. I don't see him explicitly threatening more or rallying others to do more. "Here's why I did the thing" is not the same thing as "I'm going to do the thing" or "you should do the thing, too".

The censorship of this is stupid. I hope this gets Streisand'd to the heavens.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 days ago

really? it looks remarkably un-angsty to me! i'd expect someone who shoots a dude to write something way more angry, but this is just matter-of-fact "shit sucks here's why"

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 4 points 1 week ago

they're terrified of it.

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[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)

.world did too didn’t it?

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As I understood it, they clarified that we're not allowed to call for violence and stuff like that. The manifesto itself is fine.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (6 children)

They locked the news post entirely because some comments weren't bootlicking. My comment was removed for saying "can't imagine why that happened" which neither "calls for nor celebrates violence" as the mod stated, the latter "celebrating" being his or her invention to broaden the scope of the censoring of comments outside the stated server and community rules.

I'm current researching alternatives and have no idea where to go. I'm pretty drained after a year on Lemmy trying to make this work. I'd look at mastodon but seems like it's more Twitter than longer form discussion and boards.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even when dealing with bullshit like this, trying to "rules lawyer" online when a moderation group has made their stance known loud and clear rarely works out well.


Also, just in the rare case you didn't know, Lemmy is more than just .world. It's not like Reddit where you're just stuck with the Reddit admins.

You could register an account on any instance you want. The overwhelming majority of them would still allow you to interact with content from .world, but the worst the .world admins could do would be to ban you from a .world version of a "subreddit".

I've been very happy with the admin of lemmy.dbzer0.com, a former mod (I think former head mod) of the piracy subreddit that resigned with the API mess. Doesn't seem to take action lightly or capriciously, content to let the community make decisions through open discussion and polls rather than just iron fist their wishes through.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Former head mod or piracy. I built it from the ground-up in fact. Didn't resign. Got admin-removed (potentially coup-ed) because I blacked out the sub and pushed very actively towards a lemmy migration (which is why /c/piracy is thriving)

Also former top mod of /r/anarchism (x2) but I demoted myself voluntarily (x2) when I got asked nicely :D

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[–] lukes26@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you otherwise like lemmy I'd recommend dbzer0 or lemm.ee. Both are kinda large instances which ideally would be avoided, but both of them are also very fair with moderation and don't defederate from many places, which means you can decide whether or not to block one on your own. I also have heard decent stuff about .zip, so that might be worth checking out.

It does suck how many communities ended up centralized on .world, but a lot of the news related ones that are the most susceptible to over-moderation have fairly active alternatives on other instances.

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[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

Dbzer0 is where I went and after seeing all the content I wasn't seeing because world had defederated, I'm really enjoying myself.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I think .world's reasoning was that it's "unreliable source" rather than "NO MANIFESTO ALOWED!!!"

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago

A LW mod said that the manifesto would be allowed

If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13922763

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[–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I really don't think there could be a worse way to present this information 😅

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Make it look inconspicuous. Its just a silly meme! Theres nothing else here. What's so dangerous about a bunch of words?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What the hell with that font, my eyes just died.

Thanks for the post though.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Impact is the standard meme font, with an outline to ensure readability no matter what its used on. That said, its meant for single line memes, not full manifestos.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Reddit also has policies against posting violence, but apparently it doesn’t count if you post Ukrainians or Israelis proudly showing off their slaughter.

Reddit allows violence, so long as it is in line with the status quo.

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There used to be subs like watchpeopledie and makemycoffin. I barely use reddit anymore but i wouldnt he suprised if there was still a part that has similar content.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Reddit allows violence, so long as it isn't against the rich. ~~is in line with the status quo.~~

This is more to the point.

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[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I confess I am surprised by the level of concern these fuckwits are displaying.

If nothing else comes from this, I hope a few conservatives/alt-right types have at least some of the veil lifted as they are constantly gaslit about what to think about this guy.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 1 week ago

Anything Shapiro is trash jfc

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I think Reddit ToS has something about condoning or inciting violence which is being used to broadly in my opinion.

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

Inciting violence is a crime in most of the world. Celebrating someone being dead is just considered rude by social norms. There is a huge difference.

Condoning violence is meaningless without proper definition as it can mean many things in many contexts. That's why it's important to look at the context of each individual post or comment.

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

ok, so will someone post a link to it here, just for Streisand effect purposes?

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Spez is scared. He has pissed off a bunch of people but he hasn't denied healthcare too them so he is just a reactionary coward.

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[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

But Reddit also seems to be inconsistently removing the manifesto, as we were able to find a link to the manifesto in Reddit search without much work. Reddit’s new AI-powered Answers tool also showed me information about the manifesto and where I could find it.

hehe

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Talk about Streisand effect...

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

The words are upsetting their AI baby.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago

Yepp, they go hard even in smaller communities. Seems to be some automated system handing out warnings and bans left and right.

[–] Brodysseus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Slightly off topic, but yesterday at the top of my Lemmy feed there was a screenshot of a slack channel where (supposedly nyt journalists) were discussing either posting his writings or images of his face.

I went back to look for it and can't find it. Anybody know where I can find it?

[–] schizolol9@lemy.lol 7 points 1 week ago

Fuck Reddit!

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