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[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 203 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bigger distinction: Kids with computers vs. kids with “smart” devices.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I feel that is the difference we're seeing though. Younger kids who generally live on smart devices have lower tech literacy.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 180 points 1 week ago (7 children)

She must have had a Mac. Only Windows teaches both the knowledge and the fury to convince children to switch to Linux.

[–] TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works 58 points 1 week ago (26 children)

Switching from apple is like breaking out of prison.

[–] superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Coming from windows it’s a breath of fresh air

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[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I don't know. I think Mac gets a lot of hate simply because it's a Unix that was sold to the devil and comes with a satanic concierge service.

Like, I'm not saying that selling your soul to the devil is possible but if I had to pick a handful of people that on the whole I would say probably did I would pick Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Elon musk, Jeffrey bezos, Larry Page, Vladimir Putin, and probably every Hollywood social elite and musician that sells a platinum record, every Republican senator, congress person, and every president after Jimmy Carter, and every CEO whose company is worth more than 10 million dollars who didn't inherit the company from their parents.

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[–] icosahedron@ttrpg.network 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

growing up my family had a mac desktop that i had access to while really young. eventually realized mac is a little terrible, so i tried bootcamp to get some proper use out of the computer. i successfully installed windows, but somehow fucked up and formatted the mac partition. all for windows to also suck

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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 17 points 1 week ago

Eh, I grew up with Macs, but I couldn't afford a Mac for my first computer, or even a windows license. I got a computer from a family friend that was broken which I fixed up and installed Linux on.

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[–] solomon42069@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago (10 children)

When I was 12 I installed Linux... and now I have autism. And I'm gay!

[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago

That's like half the fediverse here

[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 week ago

We get it, you use Arch.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There's truly not individual unique experiences.

[–] solomon42069@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well there's a simple explanation right? When you're growing up grappling with issues like homosexuality, disability or just feeling like an outsider - spending more time at a computer provided an escape from a judgemental and unwelcoming world. This is the same reason so many of us are night owls well into adulthood, cause we grew up feeling safer when the adults were asleep and we could maintain our personal boundaries.

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[–] rbn@sopuli.xyz 69 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Personally, I guess that you learn more the more issues you have. MacOS is a more closed down ecosystem compared to Windows, malware is less popular and as hardware comes usually bundled with the OS, you shouldn't encounter as many driver or hardware issues in general.

As a kid I had so much trouble with incompatible software, viruses, adware, drivers, broken hardware etc. And as I had noone to ask, it tought me a lot about the fundamentals of IT and how to research such issues myself.

[–] niucllos@lemm.ee 50 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Counterpoint, I grew up at a time when Mac's still couldn't do much outside of what apple specifically developed for them, so I learned a ton about emulation and virtual machines and such to play games or use Photoshop. I guess that supports your hypothesis, I can rock Unix command line stuff and containers like a pro, but hate figuring out drivers

[–] rbn@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 week ago

Yes, I completely see that. This is not a black or white question. You can use Windows, MacOS, Linux, Android, iOS... and learn close to nothing or you can geek around hour after hour to expand the boundaries of your device.

I would just assume, that you learn less if everything you want to do, works out of the box. And 'working out of the box' a typical selling point of the Apple ecosystem. Which of course doesn't mean that you can't have a steep learning curve. Your use cases obviously weren't delivered out of the box, so you had to get creative as well.

I had a jailbroken iPod Touch with a shell on it and spend hours and days overcoming system boundaries just out of spite. I also remember vividly trying to bring mobile games to a Symbian phone, tweaking around with a HP iPAQ on Windows Mobile, manually typing Midi ringtones with a text editor on a Nokia. :D

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

At risk of going off topic, I don’t like Twitter posts like this:

  • Both users ‘verified,’ essentially paying for more engagement, but with no actual “verification” like community mods tagging users.

  • In your face engagement metrics all over the posts, as if that’s all that matters. Not even a user “poll” like Lemmy/Reddit or Mastadon/Facebook.

  • Hiding most replies other than the most algorithmically engaging ones.

  • Posted as a screenshot, unfortunately necessary as they essentially broke Nitter and it’s nigh unusable unless logged in.

I don’t like that the Twitter format is kinda the center of the social media universe, and seemingly staying that way now that we basically voted to back it with the US govt.

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[–] mayhair@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Hey! 🙋 I'm an autistic person (diagnosed at age 3). I grew up using Mac computers mostly, because my father preferred them for his work. Although I would encounter Windows a lot when I was at school as well. However, I didn't really know how to use Windows until I started seeing videos on YouTube about it (such as this one). This was when I was around 10. So I started experimenting with different editions of it (Windows 10, Windows 7, Windows XP, etc.) via a pirated copy of Parallels Desktop. I also found out about Linux, and toyed with Ubuntu with a bit via Parallels. I found it fun, and thus considered the idea of installing Linux properly onto my Macbook. Unfortunately, the trackpad support wasn't there. So for my 11th birthday, I asked for a "Windows laptop", and immediately after getting it, I set up some dual-boot with Windows 10 and some fork of Ubuntu called "Pinguy OS". (I spent way too much time looking at DistroWatch.) Then, I distro-hopped for a bit until I finally settled on Void Linux when I was 13. I'm now 18 and am running Void full-time on my current laptop, it doesn't even have a Windows partition. :)

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[–] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The weird thing is that the UNIX core of MacOS would lend itself really well to tinkering. It's a shame that Apple lobotomizes all the hardware they sell with locked down firmware...

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ironically, I found macOS to be a lot more technical than Windows. It's how I got my start with Linux. At least changing the default browser changes the default browser. I'll be using macOS and Linux side by side.

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[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

It's why I much prefer MacOS over Windows. The command line makes sense. The file and folder structure makes sense. The defaults can be a little bit weird but a little configuration can help me feel right at home.

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I'm genuinely curious; is her hypothesis that macOS users are less tech literate? Because I definitely know much more computer science people that use macOS than Windows (of course most use Linux, but Windows is on third place).

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (40 children)

I don't understand the correlation with technical people on Mac. Like I DONT GET IT 😭
how can you just be ok with not being able to do stuff you want? I tried to use a cracked iPhone before deciding just to buy a new android because I just bout exploded with the corporate shenanigans apple has.

Edit: It would appear that Mac is very different from IOS. Ive never tried it other than 15 minutes of fiddling with a friends once, nice to know it's not as locked down as IOS is.
Many thanks, but I hardly understand this conversation lol

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Macs have a decent terminal + CLI interface built in, and decent hardware. Also, for many years apple offered huge discounts for students through their university, so many CS students got a macbook for super cheap and just never stepped out of the ecosystem.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The CLI interface is literally just GNU BASH, people need to understand Apple steals everything slaps a fresh coat of paint on it and boasts how innovative they are.

~full disclosure; I'm super jealous andhave always wanted a Mac Pro or Macbook Pro~

[–] 257m@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Actually its zsh but yeah nothing special.

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[–] niucllos@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

OS X and iOS are completely different beasts, iOS is a closed off nightmare whereas OSX is basically just stable pretty Linux missing a few packages and costing more

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm should bring that Ubuntu CD I had shipped to me as a kid to a therapist.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (6 children)

So here's a teacher's insight:

Mac:PC:Chromebook Rich---Poor

There is a very strong correlation between the wealth of the kids on my module, and the device they have.

Mac users really struggle to understand the concept of local files without being shown. PC users, alas, snort too much SharePoint these days to be considered healthy - trying to save a word document locally these days is like climbing a mountain blindfolded. As for the Chromebook kids, they do their best with what they have, and given how little compatibility those devices have with the software I teach, I'm proud of them.

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[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)

My first memory with a computer was playing (more like trying to play) Microsoft flight simulator 1.0 on a Macintosh when I was around 8-9. The thing that looks like that:

https://cdn.mobygames.com/screenshots/2030596-microsoft-flight-simulator-macintosh-closeup-of-cessna.png

I only started using Linux when installed dual boot Ubuntu on the family computer around 14-15.

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[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I've been a dev for 7 years. I used a PC for the first 6 years and I switched to a mac the last year.

My experience with mac has been terrible. The file explorer is just horrible to navigate. It took me ages to find the way to go anywhere except the "favorite" folders. Compability with the remote linux-servers has been awful with broken keymappings and shortcuts. Using hardware from any other manifacturer is riddled with bugs. The machine is unable to adjust volume if the audio is passed through usb-c. And I routinely encounter bugs where I'm unable to interact with apps until I restart them. Everything which seemed to work by heuristics on a PC requires a lot of attention on my mac. I don't care if I get a floaty animation and bouncy icon if I minimize a window. I just want alt + tab to actually bring back the apps I select.

I am not getting a mac the next time.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (31 children)

Where're all the DOS kids at?! 5 hours and 66 comments, but not a single mention yet.

Never mind solving problems with Windows; shit gets real when the thing boots to aC:\> prompt and you need to know things like the difference between CGA/EGA/VGA/Hercules graphics modes and WTF an IRQ is just to install your games in the first place.

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[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 25 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I've learned C++ when I was 10. Should I have myself checked?

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I was brought up on a Commodore 64. I wrote my first program at the age of six using a guide from a computer magazine.

Make of that what you will.

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Literally the first definition says it's an out of use synonym for exclusion

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[–] HonorableScythe@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Imagine paying for a blue tick on Xitter.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Children use smartphones way more than "PC" computers today.

[–] Tin@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

As an Old, I started with an Apple ][ and learned BASIC. We did get the classic B&W Macintosh computers when I was 12-13.

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[–] Gemini24601@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hey when I was 12 I- hold on a second!

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