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The Model Y is prettier
Fuck off ๐
Not to mention the charging infrastructure in place
Oh my fucking god, have you ever even left the US? ๐ The charging infrastructure in France is geared towards universal charging, not towards wanking off one billionaire
Tesla charging infrastructure is very good in France too. It's good in general as well, but there are a lot of tesla-branded chargers. Quite a lot of Tesla cars as well.
The Model Y is prettier
I dunno, Renault 5 is simply beautiful โฅ๏ธ
I really like the look of this car.
I think the windows look unproportionally small, but besides that it's nice.
charging infrastructure in place
What infrastructure? Pretty sure Tesla in EU is using a standard plug, same as any other EV.
Not to mention Tesla's quality is well known at this point.
I live in Germany and drove around Germany, France, Spain, Austria, Switzerland so far. Around 10,000 kilometers charging on public infrastructure. Only once a Tesla supercharger seemed to be in the best option for my route location-wise. The rest of the time there were better chargepoints from Ionity, EnBw or other local providers. That one time I also charged elsewhere to avoid supporting Mr Musk.
TBF superchargers are quite cheap for Tesla drivers as you save the monthly subscription fee. But other than that they aren't too attractive IMHO.
Regarding the car itself my experience was also rather negative. I did a test drive with a model 3 highland. Within 100 kilometres I had two phantom breaking issues, luckily without serious consequences. I tested a bunch of other cars (smart #1, Volvo EX30, Renault Megane E-Tech, VW ID.4) and finally settled with a Hyundai Ioniq 6.
Tesla is pretty efficient and has a good infotainment system (although it's a pretty locked down ecosystem). But all of the other cars felt way safer to drive to me. Hyundai is similar in terms of efficiency and thanks to Android Auto / Apple Carplay allows me to use whatever navigation or streaming apps I prefer.
It doesn't make sense to argue about design but personally I prefer compact cars over SUVs. I really like the R5.
I had some time searching for the article in between those massive pictures.
Renault 5 is definitely a cutie, though โค
Tesla Model Y: starting at 42 990โฌ Renault 5: starting at 25 000โฌ
I don't think there is anything else to add to the article.
People are buying the cheapest EV.
I knew the R5 would be a winner in France. This will encourage an $18k R4 clone. The original R4 and R5 fit French roads/culture well. R4 had top speed of 100kmh, IIRC.
Renault and Citroen (AMI) also pioneered ultra cheap city mobility EVs that hopefully continue to win.
The smaller the EV the more mileage/kwh. This is still a practical sized format.
The smaller the EV the more mileage/kwh. This is still a practical sized format.
That's unfortunately not the case yet. If you check EV database and sort by efficiency it's rather big, but aerodynamic cars that take the lead. The smaller ones apparantly don't allow for the right form factor ('water droplet') apparantly. I was searching for a small and highly efficient car and ultimately ditched size in favor of consumption.
I ended up with 4.89m x 1.89 x 1.50 - way bigger than I hoped for. But average consumption is 13.2 kWh/100km. At least according to online reviews and my experience during some test drives, the smaller ones I considered were rather between 18 and 22.
The BYD seagul is 9/100. 340km range. Ford escort shaped but smaller, not unlike R5. I think your mileage figures are based on weight needed for longer range.
Wow, amazing! The seagull isn't listed on EV Database yet, so I wasn't aware of that. Is this a somewhat realistic figure or just what the manufacturer declared it to be?
China's mileage estimates are perhaps regulated differently than US/EU/UK, but they are still regulated, and so "official".
The model Y is fugly
I drove a Renault E Tech on my holiday in France and shit man, it was better than any other car Iโve ever driven. I immediately looked into importing one to the US until I found out imports are functionally banned unless the car is 25+ years old lmao.
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Did you get to drive anything else?
You do know that a Renault 5 can charge at a Tesla Supercharger, right?
So the charging infrastructure is exactly identical for teslas and all other EVs with a CCS Type 2 plug.
