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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 59 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not sold.

Only two Ethernet ports. No SFP. Only available on AliExpress. Dishonestly marketed as the "first router designed specifically for OpenWRT".

Perhaps they are the first to make a router for OpenWRT the FOSS project, but certainly not the first to make one specifically for compatibility with the OpenWRT the Linux-based OS.

CZ.NIC (Czech Republic) makes several fully open-source routers under the "Turris" brand that run their own open-source variant of OpenWRT called "Turris OS". It's basically just an Open-WRT based distro with a custom frontend + root ssh and LuCI, and you can go vanilla if you want to.

GL.iNet (China) makes dozens of routers all designed for OpenWRT. They come standard with a custom install that includes a custom frontend and a handful of integrations, but you've gotta root ssh and LuCI, and you can go vanilla.

There are probably more out there. I think GlobalScale makes a few also, once on Kickstarter.

[–] daddy32@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

This is link to CZ.NIC's Turris offerings.

They ship to "many countries" besides Czech republic, according to their page.

The router itself is quite expensive at around 400 euros for the wifi model.

In case it is not obvious, they are primarily Czech domain registrar.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The fact that this has USB type C as a option for powering it makes me very interested, but the fact that it does not have at least Wi-Fi 6E makes me not interested. So I think I will have to wait for version 2 of this.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Oh come on, don’t knock the router for not being the best access point. That’s not what it’s for.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

The best routers don't have any WiFi.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If I remember correctly, Wi-Fi 6E was finalized in like 2021 or 2022, and it's 2024 and very close to 2025. So it should be about three years that Wi-Fi 6E has been in the wild. I only have 500 MBPS fiber anyway so I wouldn't saturate the links but I do want the six gigahertz Wi-Fi band because if I'm going to buy a new router I'm going to probably keep it for like 10 years. I think I purchased my previous router in like 2019 and I'm still using it. My router is an appliance that I only replace when the damn thing breaks pretty much.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I’m saying that your router and access point should be separate devices anyway, especially if you don’t want to replace said router.

My router doesn’t have wireless at all. I have a dedicated WiFi 6 access point for that, if I want to go up to a newer standard I just replace the AP.

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[–] RandomGen1@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the us at least, you cannot have 6ghz operation and connectorized antennae like this unit has

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Okay, I didn't look closely enough at the device to notice that it had connector and 10 is instead of fixed antennas.

[–] randombullet@programming.dev 69 points 2 days ago (14 children)

I still don't understand why this isn't a 2.5G WAN and 2.5G LAN. Is it assuming that people are going to be using it as a router on a stick with a 1G WAN?

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

Given the 2.5Gb port also supports PoE in, I think the idea is that you can plug this into a 2.5Gb PoE port on a seperate managed switch and that's the only connection you need; that's certainly how I would use it. WAN connections could be plugged into that switch, along with the APs, user devices, servers, etc, with them seperated using VLANs. Assuming everything was gigabit except for that 2.5Gb link to the OpenWRT Thing™, you'd be hard-pressed to saturate that 2.5Gb port and you'd still have the gigabit port completely free for... whatever.

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

most likely because this device is mainly for wifi use, and/or limitation of the SoC.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 days ago

You want your $90 wi-fi router to do what now?

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[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There are use cases for this router, but please don't get the plastic clone sold by the same Chinese company that assembles the real thing. (The plastic clone costs a third, but doesn't have detachable antennas and doesn't accept mainstream OpenWRT because it uses an almost unknown CPU.)

Myself, when I need a high capability router (for me "capability" typically means "range") I turn towards a Raspberry Pi and Alfa AWUS1900 wireless card. Yes, it lacks in throughput (USB is a severe bottleneck)... but with a bit of tweaking, you can talk out to 2 kilometers if terrain allows. :)

[–] 7dev7random7@suppo.fi 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

GTFO, clicking on "buy now" two times results in some shop which has "aliexpress" as the official partner.

This can't be a product from the sources mentioned, can it?

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 9 points 1 day ago

It says its a BananaPi product, and BananaPi uses aliexpress as a distributor according to https://www.banana-pi.org/web/index.php?topclassid=155&classid=155&lanstr=en&wap=1

checks out afaik

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Just pulled the trigger, only had European plugs in stock. I've got adapters so np. I'm getting it to replace my Raspberry Pi router that I've been using for a few years.

*Edit, I should say I'm a huge fan openWRT despite the fact that 15 years ago I managed to brick my linksys router so bad it actually caused sparks to shoot out the ethernet jacks. I flashed the wrong model firmware.

[–] toothpaste_ostrich@feddit.nl 42 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's amazing, for software to be able to cause that!

[–] huginn@feddit.it 22 points 2 days ago

Power over Ethernet is a helluva drug

[–] ThePrivacyPolicy@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

And also highly unlikely in the way described lol

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm glad it's open hardware as much as open software, but I think I'll wait to see what the OpenWrt Two looks like.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

I was thinking the same thing, because I want either Wi-Fi 6E or Wi-Fi 7, as I currently have Wi-Fi 5, and it works well enough.

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[–] Bogusmcfakester@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Of course, I just bought a new router, your all welcome

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Isn't RAM like the biggest bottleneck in routers causing bufferblaot and packet loss?

How does the article not mention how much RAM this device has?

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Packet loss occurs when a router has to drop some packets because the buffer to store them is running out because the link where they are supposed to go is overloaded.

Bufferbloat is the issue where you make your queues too deep, i.e. you allocate too much RAM to buffering, while the cause of the buffering still exists, so the deeper queue just fills up anyway, so you haven't improved anything, and have induced extra latency on the packets that do make it trough.

Deep buffers can help in situations where you have a step down in link speed, but only bursty and not sustained overloading of the slower output link.

The big bottleneck in router hardware is more about TCAM or HBM memory used to store the FIB of the global routing table. Since the table has grown so much the devices with less high speed memory can't hold the table anymore, and if they start swapping the FIB to normal memory your routing performance goes to shit.

So not all of your concerns seem to apply to this class of device, but of course you're right, The Register should have mentioned the RAM.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 days ago

The price is right for sure, but it's still sad they didn't shoot for wifi 7. It was a pretty big leap in latency reduction.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (12 children)

So, how is this any better than the Router Mini PCs you can find in Aliexpress (random example)?

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 23 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Most of those run OpenWrt or PfSense. Assuming the hardware is well-supported by the open source software it runs, there's a argument to be made that there's no difference. There's always the risk of them using some weird chipset that won't be supported in a year's time. The only difference is that the OpenWrt One is specifically designed for OpenWrt with well-supported hardware.

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[–] alsu2launda@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

This is cool

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The next router I’m getting!

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[–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

What's the point of having 1G on WAN and 2.5G on LAN? Traffic won't hit the LAN port until it's routed to the Internet, yet the WAN port is the bottleneck.

Edit: Seems like I switch up the port speed but my point still holds as the bittleneck still exist.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

The LAN and WAN ports aren't labelled as such on the device and can be configured to do anything. The 2.5Gb port can also be used to take in PoE so for a lot of people - myself included - this will be the only port that's actually used, or at least the port that will be used the heaviest. The reason, I think, that it's configured as WAN by default is so that the LAN port can be used to plug a laptop in directly without disconnecting the whole network.

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