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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 68 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Hey Microsoft, if you want me to upgrade to Windows 11, you could start by removing the completely arbitrary requirement to have TPM 2.0.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 hours ago

I had an HP Zbook Workstation. With TPM1.x Initially said get ready for W11, then months later meeage: this model fails TPM 2.0 requirement, CPU OK. I used HP firmware tool to upgrade from TPM 1.x to TPM2.0. A recheck with W11 a few months later: TPM OK, CPU no good. Last month the message about the system not being upgradeable to W11 disappeared and replaced with a link: to learn more about W11. Wtf. Do they even know what system requirements they need?

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 25 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Why do we even need a toilet paper machine 2.0 to use windows 11?

Joke aside, yeah what's up with that? People been able to bypass it and have no problem.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

It’s for OS level DRM. And I would bet some spying too.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 21 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Rumour is it's literally only there as an olive branch to hardware manufacturers to force people to buy new hardware. There's literally no technical reasons for it.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago

HP has a tool to upgrade TPM firmware from 1.x to 2.0.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

it's one of those things where it does legitimately improve security, but for them to require it the way they did when almost no hardware at the time has it is pretty transparent.

there are plenty of other hardware requirements that could improve security if they arbitrarily decided to require them. they did this for the rain you describe, but have the plausible deniability of saying that it's for security.

basically, the same bullshit line that's used to justify half of the bullshit unpopular changes that anyone pushes anywhere.

"it's for security" - no it's not, as a for profit company chances are pretty good we can prove you don't actually give a shit about customer date if we look close enough at your practices. it's for profit.

"it's for the environment" - admirable thought, too bad that's not profitable. I don't believe you mr. for profit company.

"for the kids"- it you have ever tried to talk to a parent after the subject of their kids safety comes up you'll see why they always do for this in. it's the deepest, most primal, and least logical part of our brain. most parents become slovering fucking cavemen the second you disagree with whatever they've been programmed to believe will protect their kids. it's just too easy to manipulate people with. if you say you're great to protect kids I'm instantly skeptical and need a lot of proof.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago

The toilet paper machine is to mop up all the shit they keep dropping on us.

[–] alessandro@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Sadly, Microsoft doesn't need to do anything to have you to upgrade to Windows 11: you just need to buy a new device in the mainstream market. Aside from building your rig from scratch, of course.

SteamDeck is a good example: Microsoft didn't do nothing to promote the handheld PC gaming industry, even if Valve shown that their free and licenseless OS proved to be the best one... most OEM deliver Window's only PC handheld, because they are afraid to lose the market segment of those who pirate PC games.

[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If any of those who pirate PC games are reading here: for now all my pillaged goods are working fine on Steam Deck and on Desktop Linux.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

So you have to do anything different? Install wine, or special install requirements?

[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I'm running Nobara, so the basics like wine, Nvidia drivers ... are already set up OOTB. There are multiple ways, but i like the way Lutris does it:

  • Click on "Add a game"
  • Select "Install Windows Game from an executable"
  • give it a name, if you use the name identifier as it is used on lutris.net you get the box art automatically
  • click through, select install/prefix directory, select setup.exe file
  • install as normal, install on the c: drive (only thing to note is if the game is using stuff like .net or vc runtimes then don't install them and just remember which ones you will need)
  • If runtimes are needed: run "winetricks" to add those, if you want to install patches: use "run exe inside wine prefix" (both are in the menu next to the Windows-logo Button)
  • Play Game

Heroic Launcher's installation is a bit more streamlined, but i found Lutris can do more stuff - i don't know if i would have managed to mod my (owned) Battletech installation (BTA3062) so easily with Heroic. (involved setting a bunch of Envvars and dll overrides)

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago

I think when the time comes I'll give Windows 11 ltsc a look which has tpm be optional. Less bloatware too.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 28 points 11 hours ago

You mean “fullscreen ads for Linux”

[–] Skyline969@lemmy.ca 13 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Hopefully this nonsense doesn’t affect the LTSC version. Using that has been a breath of fresh air - still Windows, less crap. Not even the store is installed by default.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 hours ago

It doesn't. I doubt it will in the future, but its possible.

I still would recommend moving to another solution though.

[–] fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Schal330@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago

Long Term Service Channel. It's a branch that is used by devices that may not be recommended to be on the latest version of Windows, for example ATMs. When the device needs to essentially be consistently reliable and not received feature updates that could potentially break it.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, but the entirety of windows is crap.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 hours ago

Windows has ease on its side. I've never had to learn CMD to achieve basic tasks in Windows and that's one of, if not the biggest point against Linux.

[–] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

In my opinion, not entirely, the underlying NT kernel seems better designed than Linux.
Windows 7 was very good, later versions were turned into crap.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

Better how?