If anything modern day santa is more of an invention of Coca-Cola than Christianity or Paganism.
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Santa is pagan, they put that dude on cereal boxes.
It's always baffling how people can define something as unacceptable. Says who? You? Who are you to just make that decision so unilaterally?
You can have your opinion, but it's just that.
And their opinion is that this is unacceptable and outrageous.
I guess. The way it's formulated purposefully removes them from the statement, though.
That's how it always goes. It's not that I'm offended. Is that it is offensive, objectively. It's silly.
Yes, that's what I'm challenging. Who do people think they are to think their subjective opinion is objective truth?
It usually goes hand in hand with not justifying themselves because "everyone agrees it's unacceptable".
Sorry I edited my comment to make it clear I agree it's silly. Nothing is objectively offensive.
What's more infuriating is that they immediately gave in and removed it without any discussion
I'm no fan of Microsoft but I get it.. In the current political climate nobody wants to take the risks of being the subject of a backlash involving Judaism. The cost of keeping it was way greater than to remove it.
I act the same every time I meet a lunatic claiming whatever I'm doing is "offending" them: I politely apologise and go on with my day without a fuss in order to be left alone.
Ehhh better to be safe that have a discussion on religion and persecution in the issues board. Then it doesnt linger as an open ticket.
I feel like discussion about something like this is better suited for like a forum or a dedicated discussion channel. They discuss in a followup on the issue thread that they think even one offended person is too many, and they want to be as neutral as possible, which I think is commendable.
I think even if its a troll, its better to err on the side of "what if it is a real person, and they are offended." Obviously, this needs to be taken within reason, like intolerance is not a valid reason etc etc.
Wait till they see the vlc logo during christmas ...
What is it like?
If I remember correctly it switches to this logo during christmas
Anyone else get the urge to pull the hat down?
Christmas is no longer a holiday that honors the Christian god, it's a holiday that honors the god of capitalism, money.
We've stopped with presents in my family, except for the kids. And they don't get showered in them, a few things they really want, preferably cheap. Everyone else just wants nice food and family coziness.
I just use it to have a merry time with my family. Corporations try to co-opt everything; Christmas is no different. Is Pride about honoring greed and capitalism just because companies make everything rainbow? No, and neither is Christmas even though they try their best with that too. The only difference is buying gifts, but Christmas is about more than that, and homemade gifts are always an option.
I hope they never walk past a church…
What religious symbol? Saint Nicholas had nothing to do with the fat guy dressed in red that coca cola made up. The hat is fine goddammit
Well, they took inspiration from Clement Clarke Moore's (1922) "Twas the night before Christmas" and illustrations from Thomas Nast (1881) showing him in red with the sack over his shoulder. Certainly, Coca Cola has solidified the modern image with their ad campaign though starting in 1931. Src
TIL coca cola didn't create it, ty
I don’t think an actual Jew would equate a religious symbol with a swastika
But I do agree that religious imagery should never be in public
I don't think Santa = swastika but it is super tiresome when Halloween ends and suddenly there's Christmas shit everywhere. I know it's more a factor of capitalism than Christianity, but it even infects the meager Hanukkah end caps we get. There's frequently products being sold that are clearly just Christmas goods painted blue and white (argh) paraded around as Hanukkah goods. Fuckin blue and white pine tree tchotchkes? C'mon what the fuck is that? Hell, one year I saw "chocolate Maccabes" which were literally just chocolate Santa candies in a different foil.
It's all expected, it happens every year (though the holiday seems to take up more of the calendar each year), but damn is it tiresome. And don't get me started on the music!
Or equate a santa hat to a religious symbol.
It's true that Christians have killed more people and commited more genocides, and are obsessed with putting their religion in everything... I think I'm on the side of this guy tbh
Of course you are...
As an organisation they have historically been and continue to be, truly shitty.
But what are you using for sources here ?
And spawned an even longer shit fit.
Some people just want to be offended and we should simply let them.
Love the fact that this spawned new issues complaining about the debugger icon promoting violence against insects.
Sing along kids! Mr. Ghosty the Christmas troll...