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I's heard news that BlueSky has been growing a lot as Xitter becomes worse and worse, but why do people seem to prefer BlueSky? This confuses me because BlueSky does not have any federalization technologies built into it, meaning it's just another centralized platform, and thus vulnerable to the same things that make modern social media so horrible.

And so, in the hopes of having a better understanding, I've come here to ask what problems Mastodon has that keep people from migrating to it and what is BlueSky doing so right that it attracts so many people.

This question is directed to those who have used all three platforms, although others are free to put out their own thoughts.

(To be clear, I've never used Xitter, BlueSky or Mastodon. I'm asking specifically so that I don't have to make an account on each to find out by myself.)


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Edit2: (changed the wording a bit on the last part of point 1 to make my point clearer.)

From reading the comments, here are what seems to be the main reasons:

  1. Federation is hard

The concept of federation seems to be harder to grasp than tech people expected. As one user pointed out, tech literacy is much less prevalent than tech folk might expect.

On Mastodon, you must pick an instance, for some weird "federation" tech reason, whatever that means; and thanks to that "federation" there are some post you cannot see (due to defederalization). To someone who barely understands what a server is, the complex network of federalization is to much to bare.

BlueSky, on the other hand, is simple: just go to this website, creating an account and Ta Da! Done! No need to understand anything else.

~~The federalized nature of Mastodon seems to be its biggest flaw.~~

The unfamiliar and more complex nature of Mastodon's federalization technology seems to be its biggest obstacle towards achieving mass adoption.

  1. No Algorithm

Mastodon has no algorithm to surface relevant posts, it is just a chronological timeline. Although some prefer this, others don't and would rather have an algorithm serving them good quality post instead of spending 10h+ curating a subscription feed.

  1. UI and UX

People say that Mastodon (and Lemmy) have HORRIBLE UX, which will surely drive many away from Mastodon. Also, some pointed out that BlueSky's overall design more closely follows that of Twitter, so BlueSky quite literally looks more like pre-Musk Xitter.

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

"Everyone is joining BlueSky so now i am too i guess lol"

I doubt anybody knows what Mastodon is.

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Mastodon just sucks as a user experience. Your average Joe doesn't give a fuck about federation, yet it's the whole Fediverse crap that harms the UX.

I made the mistake of signing up to a smaller Mastodon instance. Place was virtually empty aside from the lead admin (bit of a pretentious asshole) and a few other guys, and if you decide to browse the All Instances view, you're flooded with posts from hentai reposting bots. And when I saw the #loli hashtag in one of those posts I immediately noped out.

Threads is still in a really bad state well over a year later. Meta still haven't implemented hashtags and trending topics (even Mastodon has these), and my feed is full of thirst traps.

Bluesky has it all, and was created by Twitter's original founders.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think the problem is Mastodon makes it hard to find people to follow. I can’t even find mainstream media official accounts, let alone an actual celebrity. The discovery features need to be improved.

Meanwhile on BlueSky I instantly see every major news outlet in my main feed.

[–] masto@lemmy.masto.community 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

For me, this is a feature. The last thing I want is celebrities and news outlets clogging up my feed of nice people’s sandwiches and cat pictures.

[–] BakedCrossaint@aussie.zone 6 points 6 days ago

Problem with that is that is catering to a certain set of people while ignoring a whole larger user base that Mastodon could appeal to.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago

Maybe you just arent the main target and thus be more suited to Mastodon rather than BlueSky.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I can't tell for BlueSky because I have not joined yet, but I did create a Mastodon account months ago and I'm not sure what to do with it or how to interact with others. I find it confusing.

On Twitter I was mostly following a bunch of like minded people, liking their stuff, and I could see what they liked too. But on Mastodon there's uuh, boosts and favorites?! I'm not sure of how it works or what I'm doing. I can't just "like" posts? I have to boost them?! I found the people I liked that were on Twitter, but on Mastodon I feel like there's nothing I can do aside from seeing posts and it's just not attractive.

[–] bradboimler@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Boosting is retweeting. Favoriting is liking.

[–] sibachian@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

There is no algorithm spying on you across the web and recording your actions and behavior to try and force you to engage with an automated sub-optimal content stream, you have to manually curate your own (hopefully optimal) content stream, which you then engage with. That's basically the difference between Mastodon and the rest of them.

Two things I don't see anybody saying:

  1. BlueSky is has venture capital funding, giving it greater marketing capabilities. Capitalism isn't won by having a better product, it's won by convincing people they should buy your product.
  2. Dumb luck. Sometimes things just go viral, and you can try to figure it out in hindsight, but even that's just a guess. If people could accurately predict what was going to be popular, venture capitalists wouldn't have like a 90% miss rate.
[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago

I don't think federation has to be an obstacle for non-tech people. They don't really have to know about it, and it can be something they learn about later. I really don't know if federation stops people from trying it out. Don't people think, "I don't know what instance to join, so I'm not going to choose any?"

Personally, having no algorithm for your home feed is what I don't like about it. Everything is chronological. Some people I follow post many times a day, some post once per month, some post stuff I'm extremely interested in sporadically, followed by a sea of random posts. Hashtag search and follow is also less useful because there's no option for an algo.

The UI seems fine to me. I guess I'm not picky about UIs. The one nitpick I have is on mobile, tapping an image will just full-screen the image instead of opening the thread.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

For me it's that more people I wanted to follow are now on blue sky but I have both. I have been liking the community on blue sky a little more.

I never used twitter though so what do I even know lol

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

The absolutely delightful feature that you can use block lists, where you can block all of the MAGA trash with a click and effectively silence them from your life. The ability to collectively silence them is golden.

[–] BakedCrossaint@aussie.zone 4 points 6 days ago

Probably easier for social graph exploration TBH, it's one of Mastodons main handicaps.

[–] aliser@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

tried to register on first mastodon instance that popped up. couldn't because I have a Russian email. that summed up my experience.

[–] SquatDingloid@lemmy.world -2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I can't stand all the edgy fascists on mastodon

[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

That's not something I see on masto but maybe I'm missing something

[–] sibachian@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I have been on Mastodon almost daily for 5 years, and I've got absolutely no idea how you have found "all the edgy fascists" on there. I mean sure, if your only experience is on truth.social i expect you'd see that type of content and nothing else. But besides truth.social, I don't really know where you'd manage to dig it up. Must be hard work lol.

[–] SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

When Mastodon launched i tried it and there were almost exclusively edgy children whining about how they couldn't say the nword anymore while saying the nword

That was easily 70% of all content and i can't use a site that refuses to moderate its users

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 187 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

Because the mastodon evangelists are horrible.

Back when there was any question of what platform to migrate to? Threads and bluesky were "Get an invite and make an account"

Mastodon was people insisting that EVERYONE needed to understand what federation is and the underlying philosophy. When really they should have just said "Sign up for one of these instances. It is like email where it doesn't really matter what provider you have". Countless times I tried to explain to folk on a message board or discord and would say "Just make an account on one of these four or five instances". And, like clockwork, someone would "well ackshually" me and insist that people can't use Mastodon without understanding the fundamental concept of federation and how picking the right instance is important and people can just delete and remake their accounts until they are satisfied.

So when it was time for the big influencers to move? They went to where people were already congregating and where they didn't need to host an educational seminar to tell someone how to make an account.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Because the mastodon evangelists are horrible.

Yeah that's another thing, Mastodon is kinda nice, except for its userbase. :P

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[–] Floon@lemmy.ml 79 points 1 week ago (27 children)

You have to pick a Mastodon server, before you know anything about anything. The acquisition funnel probably drops 90% of the people checking it out right there.

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[–] Tehhund@lemmy.world 78 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (27 children)

I'm on both Mastodon and Bluesky. To me, Mastodon's biggest problem is its refusal to have an algorithm to surface popular content. Yes there are problems with algorithms, but I don't have the time or inclination to read every post in chronological order. A good algorithm would show me popular posts without manipulating me for profit.

Edt: a few people have misunderstood me. I'm not proposing "Mastodon shows me stuff from people I don't follow," I'm suggesting "Mastodon shows me stuff only from people I follow, but it shows me the popular stuff first."

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[–] ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de 76 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People expecting a new Twitter when switching to Mastodon were met with weird behavior and nerds who told them the awful search function or weird comment count is working correctly because that's how federation works. Well if that's the case then federation is shit.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is unfortunately the world of open-source.

  1. Nerd tells you to use the open-source thing.
  2. Non-technical tries it and asks questions
  3. Nerd proclaims it's not a real problem/your fault/not applicable/fix it yourself
  4. Some company takes that open-source version or idea, makes it easier for end users and monetize it
  5. Nerd gets angry and repeats step 1

Source: I am nerd and I contribute to open-source.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Because in Bluesky, you open the app, create an account, and you’re good to go.

Federation is way too complex of an idea for the average person. Picking a server and then understanding instances is much too complicated.

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