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We know tensions are high. Many of us are feeling upset and disappointed. Some are feeling helpless, overwhelmed, anxious, a deep sense of dread, and other very strong feelings. You have every right to experience those feelings and those feelings are extremely valid.

However, those feelings can often blind you - they can tint your world in a color which shapes how you are interpreting the words of others. They might stop you from picking up on key words someone else is using which signal their agreement with you or they might make you interpret neutral words as a signal of disagreement. These emotions can also push you to say things which might be more confrontational than usual or they might make you more emotionally vulnerable or volatile. These are all natural and normal parts of being a human and being emotional.

But we are operating in a space with others and we need to remember to center the humanity of everyone present. If you're finding yourself unable to give people the benefit of the doubt or to treat them with good faith and to provide space and questions placed in good faith to understand what they are saying without letting your biases creep in, it might be time for you to take some space away from a charged environment like politics. I've seen some nasty behavior in the last 24 hours. As a team, we've tried our best to clean up some of the worst of it, but I also know I've given a bit more leeway to some infighting than I normally would because I know emotions are high. But I'm reminding you all that you are better than this. I'm asking you all to help keep this a nice space and we can only do if we do it together.

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[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 43 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Tolerance of intolerance breeds intolerance. It’s well past time to be ‘nice’ to Nazi Fascist fucks. No tolerance for bigots.

[–] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 41 points 2 weeks ago

Absolutely. If someone is being openly fash, please report them so we can remove them.

But I've seen a lot of really heated infighting where people were treating others in bad faith. Let's not do that.

[–] LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 18 points 2 weeks ago

You're not wrong. But this is Beehaw, where we yeet them with prejudice

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 16 points 2 weeks ago
[–] LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 15 points 2 weeks ago

First and foremost, thank you all for being a part of this wonderful place. You're all part of my extended chosen family - family that doesn't always see eye to eye on everything but knows that we'll have each other's backs instead of putting them to the wall.

Secondly, step away from the chats and the doom to do something positive for yourself in your space, or do something to re-orient yourself. Despair and gloom blunt your efficacy communicating and organizing, and mutual care and aid like we have here on Beehaw are going to be more important than ever.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Honestly, I'd love to see a month-long pause on discussing the presidential race itself.

State-level stuff, ballot measures, etc, no problem, but IMO there's not going to be any productive discussion of the presidential race right now; there's still too little information, too many emotions, etc.

That aside, (because that's not the kind of thing that should happen without the community agreeing to it) I know that I'm probably part of the problem because Politics is where I tend to comment the most, and I'm going to stick to discussions of what to do next rather than wasting any more energy on litigating what went wrong at this point.

I have my suspicions about what happened, but that's all they are as of right now, same as anyone else. But I do know for sure that I'm pissed off, and I know that I'm not going to be able to keep it from affecting how I engage with people if we get into an argument.

I'm just glad we all have this community, because it's definitely an anchor-point for me right now (and thank you, mods, for all your work maintaining it).

[–] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Would love to see you start posts and discussions about what next! I've personally been really energized by all the activity I've been seeing in activism, queer, and anarchist groups since the election results were clear.

[–] ninjaphysics@beehaw.org 6 points 2 weeks ago

Same here! We are the same people as we were before the election, and our mutual aid networks will be that much more important now, so it's time to make a more robust connection with others. Thank you for focusing on what we can control and how we can shape the future to what we want it to be!

[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 6 points 2 weeks ago

note: i've proposed this to the community mods, if we think it's a good idea (i think it is, and i'd like to enforce it asap) it'll go into effect soon.

[–] ericjmorey@beehaw.org 12 points 2 weeks ago

This is a good reminder. Thanks.

[–] ErsatzCoalButter@beehaw.org 11 points 2 weeks ago

The people who tell you to be civil aren't going to help you on the line, generally. Unless its one of those fake protests like The March for Science.

Don't let people who aren't going to help you tell you how to behave.

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

None of us are human so most of this won't apply to us. However, it may be bad timing and correlation not causation.

The reasons for anyone or anymany to step up or ramp up their non acceptance of anything that looks bad may not have anything to do with the election in the US and could be purely from personal growth or a myriad of other factors and this is important to remember too.