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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 72 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One must imagine Maths grads happy

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The answer is obvious. You need 2 trolleys to take both tracks.

[–] kamiheku@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Look at this genius here, optimizing the solution.. 😂🤣

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People = good

People = good

Why is that so hard to remember?

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People = bad?

People = bad!

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Dont make me get the spray bottle

[–] kinsnik@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

well, with 2 trolleys it is the same amount of suffering as with 1

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I'd do top case since the number of people killed would converge to -1/12 meaning no suffering

[–] muix@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I thought that was for the sum of all positive integers (1+2+3+...). The sum if ones converges to ½.

[–] rbn@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I go for option 1.

In all programming languages that I know, integers have a maximum number. E.g., in C that'd be 2,147,483,647. After that, you would run into an overflow, resulting in either...

  • a crash (train stops, no more deaths),
  • death count suddenly turns negative (all people previously killed are suddenly alive again and even new people are generated out of nowhere) - until we reach the next overflow when people disappear and start dying again
  • or - if it's an unsigned integer - death count resets everytime we reach the maximum limit

So compared to option 2, we have a chance of stopping the death count. And even if the train keeps running, we have essentially option 2 but the same people only die very rarely. If we assume a cycle of 1 death per second and an integer boundary of 2,147,483,647, that's just one death every 68 years per person involved. Seems more fair to me compared to 100 people constantly dying over and over again.

[–] mattd@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

So the Zapp Brannigan approach?

[–] Wojwo@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Or is it like a Y2K death trolly and when the overflow happens the universe doesn't catch the exception and things get weird. Like suddenly any number can be divided by 0.

[–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah okay but by that logic you'd also have to quantize time and the suffering would end either way in a finite amount of time.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

They used database to store integer...

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

Ah, but eventually the trolley breaks down, and in the case of the reincarnating circle, you end up with zero deaths (but a whole lot of Therapy)

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Where I'm from Calc 2 is integrals. That wasn't so terrible. It was Calc 3 (vectors and series) that was the hard one.

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

At the universities I went to, Calc 2 was integration, sequences and series, then Calc 3 was multivariable. They really pack all the harder parts into 2.

[–] someacnt_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I thought this was taught in high school. Curriculums differ drastically between countries, don't they?

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[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I managed until university when I left calculus and entered "Linear Algebra" and man, I really don't like matrices.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

I made it through. My degree is actually in math. 15 years ago, I used to know what an abelian group is!

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

I found linear algebra super hard until I learned it a second and then third time, from different angles. I found it harder to understand when it was taught in a pure maths context, but coming at it from the applied side made me go "oh, so that's why that's like that"

[–] BakedCookie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

My multivariate calc was a separate course from regular calc 1/2/3

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Arguably these are different amounts of bad even before considering this: We generally consider existing preferable to non-existence to some extent when suffering isnt taken into account, consider that if you murder someone quickly and painlessly in their sleep without waking them, they dont really themselves suffer from it, but people will still find you to be a murderer, and would object to the idea that you might do it to them. In the top example, killing the people actually kills them, but in the lower example, it arguably doesnt, because the experiences of the people involved never actually cease, therefore, the lower path seems to me to be preferable because you supposedly get equivalent amounts of "suffering", but different amounts of time that people spend in non-existence.

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Morally speaking people could argue that torturing immortal people is worse.

However legally speaking to you don't kill them and therefore the immortals are preferred.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No murder charge, just infinite attempted murder charges

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago

That would mean you did it on purpose. But you didn't power the trolley. You "accidentally" flipped the switch... And left. Since you can't do more.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

Though I do wonder whether a sufficiently good lawyer could argue that it's not attempted murder if you knew they were immortal

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I think the ones in the loop become Cenobites.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Isn't Stockholm Syndrome fake?

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Actually upon looking it up, there is some suggestion that it is fake.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

The abominable billionaire loop makes me happy

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well their heads aren't on the tracks and they're immortal, I bet we could rig some kind of device to make them total praplegics and then work on a direct neural interface so they can use computers while they lay there endlessly having their bodies painlessly trisected.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Or we could just like untie them

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago

Cant you just take people from the track with reincarnating people? They might have to die a couple of times, but thats nothing compared to infinity

[–] SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hell couldn't be real because humans would eventually fetishize any pain input and dump buckets forever.

Some webcomic I saw back in the earlier days of the Internet

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Allegedly it isn't a place where you are tortured, but instead a state of permanent depression from being cut off from God. Just the former is easier for pop culture to portray.

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

This is the kind of trolley problem that makes Cenobites.

[–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

People really complaining about Calc 2?

[–] Xyprus@beehaw.org 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also, Option 1 would essentially mean the end of the human race. Assuming the rate of killing is faster than the birth rate it would mean everyone dies soon

[–] Incandemon@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

I mean, no? Its given in the question that option one is an infinite amount of people. Its not limited to just the existing human race.

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Isn't the top case just how things are now?

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

It can be, usually for college credit though

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Programmer asks: how many bits for the integer?

At 32 bits it's "just" a Thanos snap with extra pain

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