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That and verifying the checksum are the big reasons I can think of. I feel like for the most part though using something like balenaEtcher is so much easier.

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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I feel like the main problem with balenaEtcher is that it requires downloading 150 MB, for a software that many people will use only once before a reinstall.
If you're in a rich country, you might hardly notice, but for poorer countries, this is an insane ask, especially if it just improves convenience mildly.

But yeah, ultimately any such tool is going to face the problem that no matter how easy it is to use, you need to first install it, which needs to be explained.
The usage of dd also needs explaining, but you don't need to install it.

Well, and another factor is that dd has been around since the dawn of time. Software like balenaEtcher tends to go unmaintained after a few years, at which point any documentation referencing it, will need to be rewritten. And it's usually rewritten to reference dd instead, before a new convenient software emerges...

[–] CorrodedCranium@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for explaining. I didn't know it went unmaintained for a while. I thought programs like balenaEtcher and Rufus might have other issues I was unaware of like certain OSs not flashing correctly

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Oh, I didn't mean to say that balenaEtcher actually had gone unmaintained before. I just meant that it's likely to do so in the future, like pretty much all software.

dd is kind of in a unique position, in that it's so simple, that it'll hardly need maintenance, and it's useful enough that it presumably gets this maintenance.

With balenaEtcher, it's developed by a company. If that company folds or changes strategy, then they'll stop maintaining balenaEtcher.
It's also implemented with Electron, i.e. browser technologies. If it goes unmaintained for a few months, you'll quickly have security vulnerabilities in there.
You might also not find anyone willing to maintain such a comparatively thick tech stack...

It's because the Linux desktop landscape is a complete and utter mess. Any standard Linux GUI has a tool to make a bootable flash drive, but the steps to get there and the buttons to click are all different. Using the command line often works on every platform. I generally use Gnome's disk tool, though KDE's partition manager is also very competent. On the more minimal distros, Gparted always seems to work for disk operations. I've never really had any problems because of a bad cbecksum when it comes to Linux but I'm pretty sure there are GUI tools for verifying those too.

Among some Linux users there's also a feeling of superiority about using the command line instead of the GUI, but those people usually come from distros that expect their users to know what a dd is and how to find the right drive in /dev. Those users seem to throw their hands in the air and go "download " when you ask them about Windows, though, because they don't seem to care about the command line in Windows (even though Powershell is equally competent and in some areas even superior to most Linux shells).

Some people are all so annoyed by etcher's large file size, but I can't say I'm too annoyed about having to download 150MiB when I've just downloaded a 6.7GiB installer image that contains two office suites and five image editors in case I need them.

[–] Sinthesis@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Not all linux systems are running a desktop GUI, for example...most servers. /edit to add or expand/ I use Etcher on my laptop but I use the command line with my server in the closet...plug in the USB, go back to my laptop and do everything remotely.

Also, as a linux user/admin for 25+ years I've seen these apps come and go. Inevitably the app gains so much popularity that the dev wants some money for it... so they add advertising to the app. Then some other app comes along to replace it, rinse and repeat indefinitely. If your shell commands are POSIX-compliant, they'll last for decades or more.

[–] CorrodedCranium@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do you have an example of apps designed for creating bootable media switching to a paid model?

[–] Sinthesis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Etcher itself has advertisements for https://www.balena.io/ products while your USB drive is being written.

[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemdro.id 0 points 2 days ago

I feel like for the most part though using something like balenaEtcher is so much easier.

Take 5 minutes to learn to use DD, and you'll never need to install etcher again. Also DD can do primitive backups of drives, and so much more.