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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 86 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's awesome how his company is doing the opposite of helping USA citizens afford property, homes, rent. Good job, you couch fucking dork.

[–] Volkditty@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

If God wanted those citizens to afford property, homes, or rent, they would have been born rich.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 47 points 6 days ago

But don’t forget to blame those brown immigrants, folks! They’re the real problem according to JD

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Libertarians by their very definition cannot be patriotic.

For starters, they want to destroy, defund, and minimize the state and beneficial services that make up a nation.

Secondly they want to sell it off the peices to private interests.

....and they want these things to reduce and avoid paying for their fair share, shifting their tax burden, and the tax burden for their companies to others.

Libertarians can't be patriotic, they by definition attack nations in the name of private enterprise, and personal profiteering.

They seek to increase the wealth gap, exploit their fellow citizens, and disband the connection in between, reducing all to the profit motive, because they can have no other values to maintain but money. They're nihilists, and comflict with all value systems which aren't, including the nation and patriotism.

[–] VerbFlow@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Despite my Anarchist leanings, I still hate Tea-Partiers for their disregard for human life.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

On the back end the Tea Party movement was always a conglomeration of Koch related organizations and think tanks, who teamed up with 'Americans for Prosperity ', Phillip Morris, and 'Citizens for a Sound Economy'.

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Tea_Party

It's an accurate small scale model of what parts of Trumps campaign would later become, using the appearance of a "grass roots" movement to disguise the big money interests driving things just under the surface.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Not "always." I believe the Tea Party was a genuine grass-roots movement for at least a few weeks or months at the very beginning, before the Koch-suckers co-opted it. Frankly, it had a lot in common with Occupy Wall Street and I was holding out hope for a while that the two movements would merge.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Nah, sorry bud, it was always a corporate product aimed at reducing taxes on billionaires, organized by Koch organizations, and designed to look like it was grassroots as a disguise:

In 2002, a Tea Party website was designed and published by the CSE

CSE = Citizens for a Sound Economy, Koch offered the role of Chairman of CSE to Ron Paul... So there was some blurring of the line between Ron Paul's 2008 campaign and later offshoots of CSE (which by that time was Chaored by Dick Cheney). CSE were doing the fundraising and organizing/publicity behind it (helps to have Phillip Morris on board for that type of thing).

It was always the same groups of billionaires and their adjacent politicians trying to not pay taxes.

Sometimes the PR, sentiment, and spectecal is just so good that it lasts a long time in memory... And no doubt the movement had genuine believers (I know Ron Paul did), but the whole crew were running with the same aims, sharing the same funding sources.

It's the whole Libertarian and Conservatives pretending to have values but actually serving billionaires. Of whoch the left has its own version. It all covers over much more serious structural and foundational issues which ideology alone can't touch.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 days ago

I don’t think so, it was a well funded group from the get go. At the time there was pretty strong consensus that there were rich organizers starting the tea party groups from scratch.

The Koch brothers were documented backers of candidates in our district in 2009-10. Them winning so many seats after Obama was elected wasn’t just a coincidence.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

The ideal of libertarianism is that it's better for the individual. It's naive and require rejecting pretty much all evidence, but the idea that they want the power to be consolidated in private companies inherently requires ignoring the ideals.

Its just like people who support Communism. It's good I'm theory but you have to really reject reality to convince yourself that it could actually work and doesn't just end up in an oligarchy or other such consolidated power system.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hey, homey has a $1.3M mansion to support.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What? $1.3m is a modest fixer upper in an ok neighborhood where I live.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Man, fuck me. And I'm out here struggling ~~for~~ to make ends ~~meat~~ meet trying to do "honest work". I fucking hate this time line I'm in.

Edit: thank you fellow native English speakers for correcting me, albeit in a snarky/condescending way, as it were, but still appreciate it.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It absolutely infuriates me that having high ethical standards makes me a sucker.

Frankly, at this point the only thing stopping me from saying "fuck it" and starting to blatantly lie and cheat to get ahead isn't even that it's "wrong," but that I'm just too damn stubborn to be a "reasonable man"!

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

You don't need to cheat, just never do this bullshit of "go above and beyond". Do what you're paid to do, no more no less. That's what I do. They ask for more, I tell them to pay me more.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Ends meat? Did you take this from "make ends meet"?

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Nah, he's hustling for that well done end piece on a prime rib

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

English isn't my first language. So, not sure how to say it, but I know you know what I meant.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I thought maybe it was something I hadn't heard before. Humorous misunderstanding though.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

I've always thought that it meant "putting food on the table". Until the time when you replied, then it made sense.

[–] _bcron_@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think JD Vance is a sellout with absolutely no principles, turning his back on his ideals to ride Trump's coattails, but this doesn't really strike me as anything outrageous.

Some tech bros have reinvented the wheel yet again, this time by making an app centered on 1031 'like-kind' transactions, which is already big in agriculture (trade land for cash in a transaction that isn't a taxable event and maintain the rights to farm on it). It's pretty popular because often, there's a generational rift where someone's kids don't want to farm, so they use the land as a retirement vehicle and cash out, but I digress. They're basically the 'we buy ugly houses' version of that hooplah.

We have very lax laws in regard to foreign investors purchasing real estate or investing in securities, and they don't seem to be soliciting foreign investors. Foreign companies don't normally solicit American investors but if you have mutual funds in your 401k you probably hold BABA and BIDU. It's a privately traded company so one must be an Accredited Investor, last I checked the biggest hurdle for that is net worth >$1MM.

Don't get me wrong, I think people in office should divest from most things including bonds (policy can affect yields) but this seems a little bit less scummy than Door Dash (those guys are blood sucking parasites for small restaurants)

[–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I'm in Ohio and I voted against him, but if you are involved in real estate even a little you're definitely going to be selling some property to a foreign investor.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 days ago

I knew he wanted to sell the country, I didn't realize he was actively doing so.