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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Socialists don't hate markets, they hate workers not having any power or democratic choice in how they interact in the market.

Workers owning the means of production just means the workers are doing the same work but they are in ownership of the factory and the profits. They will still sell the products they produce in a marketplace.

[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Market forces on their own produce many if not all of the perverse incentives of capitalism. Only a centrally planned economy, built on a foundation of grassroots democracy, can hope to overcome those incentives by doing economic planning with an eye towards future sustainability and quality of life, rather than towards profitability.

[–] Nevoic@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Within the context of one person's career, socialism on its own can do quite a bit to transform people's relationship to their workplace. No longer would your job be at risk because you've all done too well and it's to "cut labor costs" while profits soar. No longer would you be worried about automating away your job, instead you'd gladly automate your job away and then the whole organization could lower how much work needs to be done as things get more and more automated.

Democracy would massively improve work-life balance.

Of course this comes with problems, all of which exist in capitalism (how do we care for people outside of these organizations who won't have access to work, for example). But if I had to choose between market socialism and capitalism, the choice is pretty clear, and it's something much easier for liberals to stomach.

[–] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Not saying I'm in favor of it, but there's still market socialism out there as a political stance

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (88 children)

You literally left Reddit because of what capitalism did to it.

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[–] imgonnatrythis@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wtf is an uncorrupt government?

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

All types of governance and economic systems are susceptible to despotism.

It takes a constantly educated and involved population to fight it.

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[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

To paraphrase this cool guy named Ernesto: Its not our fault reality is marxist che-si

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[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (56 children)

The bias is justified. The left is correct. Markets don't create wealth without necessarily simultaneously creating poverty

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[–] Avnar@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 10 months ago

"Uncorupted Goverment" LoL when did that last happen under Capitalism?

[–] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I think you will find any place thats well moderated and cracks down on bigotry and hatespeech will skew left.

Weird how that is, huh?

[–] halfempty@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's why I'm here. All the corporate owned social media are blatantly far-right fascists. Everywhere else is just thick with Nazis and racists.

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[–] beef_curds@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

You'll be happy to know there's a social media site just like lemmy run by capitalists. It has all the benefits that capitalist ownership provides.

[–] TheGreatFox@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

uncorrupt government

I think you meant "free real estate for the CIA and their a puppet dictators".

It's what happens every time another country doesn't want to sell their natural resources for pennies.

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