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[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (49 children)

The bias is justified. The left is correct. Markets don't create wealth without necessarily simultaneously creating poverty

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For more information, research "surplus army of labor", "primitive accumulation", and "accumulation by dispossession".

Primitive accumulation is a bad term. It works if you've read the theory behind it, but otherwise it sounds like someone saving up a bunch of money then starting a successful business compared to what it is which was colonial genocide, enclosure of the commons, and mass starvation as people were ripped from agricultural labor and cast into the factories and mines to work for feudal lords turned industrial capitalists.

[–] grilled_cheese_eater@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nuh, uh. Markets controlled by Oligarchs who spend billions to erode social safety nets do. A market socialist economy with strong regulations and systems like a UBI wouldn't create poverty, while still being a market (albeit a very different one to what we have today). Albeit I do think that for many things (like healthcare) having a market of any kind is just dumb.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Markets controlled by Oligarchs who spend billions to erode social safety nets do.

And where do these billionaires come from? Do they just spring out of the ground?
Oligarchs are a feature of capitalism, not a flaw.
A market with a UBI would simply increase rent by the UBI amount. Markets in capitalism exist to extract wealth, it is what they encourage. Thus they will support those that are best at extracting wealth, which leads to the creation of those billionaires.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A market with a UBI would simply increase rent by the UBI amount

*Correction: an unregulated market with UBI would.

In a regulated market, those corporations can either follow the guidelines or fuck off the market.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Or they can enjoy the fact that they have regulatory capture and change the regulations, as has been seen historically.
For practical observance: Denmark pays a wage to university students. The function of this wage is to make sure the students can focus on their studies, instead of having to have a job that demands time from them, which would lower the quality of education.
Students also need housing, which the private sector provides in the form of "student housing", which requires you to be a student in order to live there. This "student housing" has a rent that is usually, approximately right around the student wage - thus meaning the student needs to take a job in order to afford things such as "food" and "electricity". This state of affairs occured despite regulations.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Or just change the regulations

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