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[–] sudo42@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When looking for a new web browser, which feature would you prefer most and which would you prefer least?

  • A color palette that matches Danny DeVito's armpit hair.
  • Play the theme to Annie at startup.
  • Take up all computer resources.

I don't want any of those. Can't we just have a browser that filters all of the popups, junk and advertising?

Nope. You can't progress through the survey without picking one thing you really don't want and at least one of two things you couldn't give a shit less about.

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

They needed to have something that might be less appealing than an AI assistant

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You'd rather have yours twice as slow than a feature you could probably disable? Weird blind hate ngl

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I dont want any AI built into my browser. The speed would not be that noticeable anyway as it is quite fast rn.

[–] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

I think that's a good way of measuring "bullshit" in tge surver. The only problem is that you get just one of these questionnaires and a bunch of other questions for the entire survey

[–] kshade@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Things I want from Firefox/Mozilla, in no particular order:

  • Just hire the uBlock Origin guy, Chrome doesn't want him
  • Dissolve the Mozilla Corporation, start a Patreon or whatever
  • Foxkeh plushie

I am willing to compromise on the "unreasonable" ones 🦊

[–] eksb@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

How much AI do you want in your browser:

( ) None

( ) Zero

( ) I want my browser to automatically close any page that mentions AI

[–] Thann@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which of these options do you prefer:

( ) having an AI assistant integrated into the browser

( ) getting kicked in the balls by elon musk

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

More like

  • 2x slower browser

  • AI

[–] Nikki@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

that question seemed directly made by some software dev that shares my opinion lol

i picked 2x slower browser over ai because at least if it is gonna be slower im not gonna be harassed by some amalgamation of every incel shitpost on the Internet

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

i don’t like how they used "want least", it means three very different things:

  • i want this but it’s not the thing i want the most
  • i don’t care for this
  • oh god fuck no
[–] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I hope like hell the sets of questions were randomized, because if they weren't, they were tweaked by the surveyors beforehand to try and force a particular result.

Like the AI question was paired with some incredibly crappy options like "A browser that runs 2x slower than your current browser". Obviously they want you to click that option as least wanted and leave the AI development alone (if that wasn't a randomized grouping).

Similarly, it looked like they were trying to decide which feature to sacrifice in support of AI dev in later questions, because all 3 would be things I enjoy much more than AI, but I have to rate one as least wanted.

EDIT: OK, thanks for all the responses everyone! Looks like my pairing of AI and 2x slower was just a bad random selection inducing extreme paranoia on my part. Very happy to hear that.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

My 2x slower was paired with the 2x faster 🤣 guess which one I chose?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This survey is very confusing

My conference in Mozilla is now almost zero

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which of the following attributes would you most want your new browser to have, and which would you want least?

Twice as slow as your current browser

Is that a joke?

[–] Tacoma@feddit.org 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For me that was together with

A privacy-respecting AI assistant that makes your browser smarter by learning how you use it

So I don't really care how slow the browser is, as long as it doesn't have an AI "assistant" that is monitoring my browser usage

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wouldn't mind an AI assistant, as long as it's fully local.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

But why? If you want that, you can just have it outside of your browser. Or maybe get an extension that works with an AI assistant on your machine.

I honestly don't care either way about an AI assistant. I don't intend to use it, so I'd much rather their efforts be spent elsewhere.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why would you want that in a browser? We have LLMs you can run local.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can you let me have my own preferences? Am I allowed?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago

Not at the cost of my experience. It should be a optional feature if anything

[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

I wonder what percentage of people chose "Least important" for "Do you want another fucking annoying pointless AI assistant?"

[–] pop@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Do they publish any of the data from these surveys or use it as an excuse to remove more useful features?

"We listen to our community, so now we're removing about: config access from stable desktop builds to match the mobile version to provide uniform builds, making problems easier to replicate and also provide better security for all. Please use beta or nightly builds for tinkering."

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago

"We found that users wanted AI over a 2x slower browser"

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Product managers know what KPI's they want to improve, and its almost never survey sentiment results. The survey will be used to justify projects that improve the KPIs they already have. Best case scenario it helps them choose what to work on first, worst case (and most likely) it doesn't matter what the survey says - it's engineered to justify a pet project.

i.e. Straight out of "how to lie with statistics" - Would you rather drink bleach or add in browser advertisements based on privacy respecting AI categorization of you browsing behavior? ..... The people have spoken and they OVERWHELMINGLY want more monetization in their browser.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Duh. I'd rather drink bleach.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago

Honestly it the world gets bad enough it could get that extreme...

[–] kbal@fedia.io 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

All those features, and the only one I want is customizable hotkeys. Although I guess I'd also take "browser is twice as fast."

[–] Thann@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which do you prefer:

( ) browser twice as fast

( ) women find you irresistible

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago

( x) browser twice as fast

( ) women find you irresistible

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You folks are really exaggerating. How is this survey weird? The random questions in groups of 3 make it easy to compare 3 features instead of rating 60 different features by most wanted to least wanted. In aggregate from thousands of replies, they can sort all answers.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's the "most wanted" language. I don't blame common folks associating "most wanted" with "I want this!" when in fact they don't mean it.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But the language is clear. From these 3 features, choose the one you want the most and the one you want the least 🤔

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The language is not clear.

" As a vegetarian, which of these three options you want the least and which you want the most? You MUST choose to continue:

  1. Chicken sandwich.
  2. A kick in the balls.
  3. Pork sandwich.

"

You are saying that a reasonable person (vegetarian in this case, and disclaimer: I am not vegetarian) would say "well, I want a kick in the balls the least, so I'll choose that. Now, fuck, I HATE chicken sandwiches and I HATE pork sandwiches. They both make me puke. But if I have to choose, I guess I'll go for the chicken sandwich. Hey pollster, I want the chicken sandwich the most." And the pollster writes "Chester wants the chicken sandwich the most." Yeah, very clear.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

That's the typical "if you were in a deserted island" scenario that vegetarians and vegans are very familiar with. Given those 3 options:

1 > 2 > 3