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I guess this is a cautionary tale.

I was recently having issues with my Gmail account that's tied to my Epik ( a domain registrar ) account, so when I was supposed to renew my domain, I didn't receive any e-mails about it. When I decided to randomly check on my website, it seemed to be down. So I checked Epik and a domain that usually cost £15 a year to renew now cost £400 to renew as it was expired.

As a teenager who does not have £400 to spend on a domain, I decided to just wait until the domain fully expired and buy it for a cheaper price.

After some time, the domain fully expired and GoDaddy decided to buy it as soon as it did, and charged me £2,225 to renew the domain. I don't understand how a price that large is justified, considering that my website gets barely any visitors and I basically only use the domain for hosting stuff. No idea how hiking prices this much is legal

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[–] Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

This is what I am going with now, I canceled my domain when moving and now I get a letter that I have money at patreon but can not log in without 2fa from the email on that domain, but it’s expensive now. I am loosing money when I need it most.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

After some time, the domain fully expired and GoDaddy decided to buy it as soon as it did, and charged me £2,225 to renew the domain. I don't understand how a price that large is justified, considering that my website gets barely any visitors and I basically only use the domain for hosting stuff. No idea how hiking prices this much is legal

GoDaddy is known to do that.

Technically, they're not hiking the price. GoDaddy ~~bought~~ scalped it after it expired and then is re-selling it at an astronomically higher price. It's one of the many, many reasons people hate them.

I'm ashamed to say I still have a couple of domains with GD that I haven't migrated yet. This post might just light a fire under me to get that done.

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Sorry, but chalk this up to lesson learned. It's almost always been this way. Domain squatters will do this all the time. In fact, some domain registrars will use you searching their site for an 'available' domain, and if you don't buy it up right away -- will buy it and hike the price and sit on it for years in order to lock it down, knowing you wanted it.

btw, Namecheap says Sunglocto dot com is like $10 - so just register a .com. Not through that Epik piece of shit that you used before. Legit, use Namecheap; they've never done me wrong and have been my registrar for more than a decade now.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Have also had good experience using namecheap for years.

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Namecheap is alright, but Cloudflare only charges at cost with no markup.

[–] something_random_tho@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Then they make you use them for DNS. May or may not be a big deal, but the reason it's at cost is to act as a loss leader to get you exposed to and buying their other products.

[–] explore_broaden@midwest.social 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah this is why I don’t use cloudflare, I have my domains on porkbun.

[–] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

I mean, I use namecheap. I’m thinking about throwing one of my domains onto cloudfare just in case.

If you don’t like namecheap, some people have been suggesting porkbun or something.

[–] morriscox@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So search for a lot of domains at random to cost them some money?

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely. But I think it might be more advanced than that. They might have some sort of analytics that measures how long people stay on the page, etc to inform their purchasing decisions.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 months ago

Ah, so search a couple of domains and sit on their page for a while making random mouse movements and scrolls then? Got it.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Namecheap has extra rules if you want to use an API (minimum money spent with them, minimum of domains managed with them etc.) — GoDaddy style.

Keep that in mind, if you need an API (for DDNS or for obtaining wildcard TLS certificates) you'll have to use a separate service for DNS.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have a script running that uses the Namecheap API to automatically get wildcard certs from Let's Encrypt. I didn't pay a dime for this. Did something change?

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 points 9 months ago

Maybe you meet the conditions for it? It hasn't been possible to access their API without meeting the conditions for at least a year now.

You don't pay directly for the API, the latest conditions AFAIR are 20+ domains and $50+ on account balance and $50+ spent in the last 2 years.

They also want you to whitelist the IPs that access the DNS which makes it unusable for DynDNS, but at least they have a separate URL for that.

[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You really should have separate services for registration, DNS and hosting. That way you’re not held hostage by a single provider.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

Why should I post someone else for DNS records if namecheap is handling it just fine for my use case?

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

DDNS with Namecheap is as simple as hitting a URL with a /GET request from the IP you want it to point to. No limitations. No special requirements.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Time to register that domain before OP gets it…

[–] mal3oon@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

I prefer to be called daddy. Godaddy

[–] TedZanzibar@feddit.uk 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Make an offer of $0.01. Assuming the responses aren't automated, every time they reject it, raise the offer by 1c. Keep doing it till you hit the $15 mark and then just stop. It could waste literal years of their time.

[–] hactar42@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Reminds me of a guy I knew who kept getting letters for a $10 parking fine he got while at university. He waited until they spent more in postage than the fine before paying it.

[–] deltapi@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My last year of uni I was broke. The previous year the parking passes had red letters, that year purple. That was the only difference. The colour. I traced over all the letters of my previous parking pass with a blue sharpie and parked for free all year.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Nice hacking mate.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago

Automated numberplate recognition systems have spoilt so much fun.

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 3 points 9 months ago

I have my dream domain. It was being squatted for a similar amount. I offered £100 and it was declined, I offered £250 and they replied to tell me the domain is easily worth the £2K, well sort after etc. I told them that this is my surname, and I'm not a corporation with unlimited funds and they can take the offer or leave it. 15 minutes later the offer was accepted. I was so happy. Still am chuffed about it.

[–] joeldebruijn@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Got a work related variant, a 3 letter domain we really liked was registered by a person asking a couple of hundred bucks or so. Which really was a good deal and we were more then happy to pay.

Our IT department advised guiding the transfer themselves. Instead our marketing department went ahead anyway and just agreed to "you end your subscription and after that we register it" ... instead of using transfer codes.

In the minutes between, a bulk claimer snatched it away.

[–] AlwaysTheir@lemmy.one 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

OMG. I can't believe the marketing department was that inept. Tragic

[–] seang96@spgrn.com 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Honestly I believe it. I had a VP of sales / marketing overriding requirements making them more difficult from the CEO after getting screamed at by the CEO who wanted the product (probono project) to be quick and easy for initial release.

He also ordered IT garbage for a site once (consumer PCs running Windows not server edition)

And to top it all off went behind supervisors backs in engineering departments asking for daily spreadsheets trackong their time because "if you can go to the bathroom you have time for this.

All leadership was toxic though like the CEO screaming at him lol.

[–] tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net 1 points 9 months ago

LMAO they really are inept 🤦‍♂️

[–] fellowmortal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Don't pay this! You just reinforce their predatory practices. How renewals at much higher prices are allowed - no clue!

Something similar happened to a company I know - it expired and was immediately bought by domain squatters, when they found them they were told that it couldn't be sold back because the squatter had paid $XXXX for and had big plans (I assume it was BS, just a premise to get paid - no site was ever put on the domain)

Solution: they bought the .org version and bought the .com back a year later.

edit:grammar

[–] scrchngwsl@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago

Sounds like you're in the UK, if so I'd recommend legit companies run by old nerds like Mythic Beasts: https://www.mythic-beasts.com/domains

[–] miau@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago

I am sorry that happened to you

Thanks for sharing your story, though. I have a few domains, two of them being very important for me (one I use for all my emails, and the other one for all my self hosted stuff). So I'll be paying close attention to their renewal

I hope you can find another domain that you like and that you can transfer your stuff to it.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 1 points 9 months ago

Aaahh capitalism. This is what business school graduates call "innovation" and "smart".

But seriously, I'm sorry that happened to you. It's predatory, abusive, and wrong.

tldr - lesson learned. buy a new domain and move over to it.

but for those who want to learn something new - you are only renting your domains. If you fail to pay by the registration date then you generally get a grace period to pay more money to renew it. If you fail to pay before that period expires then the domain will be released. Some companies like godaddy will automatically buy the domain for another year (or more). But even if Godaddy doesn't then it still goes up on a list of expiring domains and there are backorder services that will try to buy the domain or auction them off.

So in the end it doesn't really matter what registrar you use. If you do not pay, it goes back to a list where people can see it is expiring and then you'll get some people who either want to legitimately use that domain or more likely they are wanting to try to sell it to you or someone else for more than they buy it for.

And I saw someone mention file a complaint. I'm sorry to say that if you did not have money to renew the domain then you aren't going to be able to do that either. This is called Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP) and the fee is between $1500-4000 for 1 to 5 domains.. Additionally, just because you file a complaint does not mean the issue will be resolved favorably or timely. These complaints can last years, and there is no guarantee you will get the domain back.

This is why you should always pay your domain rental fee. And if you don't, then you need to either be willing to pay a ton of money to get it back or you will need to move on. Sorry its a tough lesson to learn but if you're just a student then you probably weren't using this to run a business or anything so in the end you are quite fortunate.

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That’s a horrible domain name anyways. .xyz is trash, the name itself is long, hard to pronounce and sounds like gibberish. Time for an upgrade.

[–] LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's the second time I've seen someone cast xyz in a negative light. What's wrong with it? (Genuine question, in case it needs saying)

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's just a hallmark of "I bought the cheapest domain name TLD available".

That's not necessarily bad if all you need is something to get the job done, but there is a stereotype associated with it.

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Nothing wrong with Boost Mobile, or any other discount telecom provider either. It's not like the phone signals taste different lmao