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I am a reddit refugee. Keep seeing that this is supposed to be somehow better than Reddit. As far as I can tell, it follows a similar format, less restrictive on posts being removed I suppose. But It looks like people still get down vote brigaded on some communities. So I'm curious, how it's better?

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[–] Der_Fossyler@feddit.org 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

No Ads, federated, Open Source, No big coorporation, community driven, no investors and stock market push, decentralized is the future IMHO.

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[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (13 children)

It's not owned by a greedy soulless corporation with a pigboy in control. There's more assholes on here (the AKSHUALLY is quite strong) but there's less hivemind.

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the AKSHUALLY is quite strong

lol, yeah true, same as the linux community here is pretty much Arch BTW, but it's good-natured

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think the arch thing is just a meme. I asked a genuine question about which distro to use and got a range of suggestions but none of them were arch.

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[–] pooberbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

My baseless opinion is that having a variety of instances with varying ethoses means that there's a good home instance for everyone (not just the verysmart, young, white, male, liberal a la Reddit), and federation means that that variety of people are intersecting and interacting a lot more than if instances were completely separate. At the same time, it still feels like a small community, or maybe a bunch of small communities. There seems to be a lot less of the snarky clapbacks and unpopular opinions getting nuked that's typical of other social media.

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

(not just the verysmart, young, white, male, liberal a la Reddit)

Nope, we've also got the verysmart middle-aged white male liberals here, and some Communists too!

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[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

No company owns every single Lemmy instance. That's the only guarantee you are getting; however, that's where all of the tiny differences come from.

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

It's a better crowd. Feels more like 2009 Reddit and forums. I can use whichever app I want

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Its' best days are ahead, not behind. And being a decentralized entity - like Bit Torrent or Bitcoin - makes it an important social media experiment that is worth stoking the flames, and whose outcome will be much different than it was with reddit.

[–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Which app do you use? I like Sync but am open to try others.

Try Thunder or Voyager. Voyager is also available as a PWA.

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[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago (10 children)

When people say Lemmy is better, they mean the software and the platform are better. You’re talking about the users of the two platforms. Lemmy users are still idiots, just like Reddit users, we just use Linux and don’t use chrome

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 5 points 2 months ago

I'm 100% an idiot.

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 9 points 2 months ago

Decentralization.

That in itself is a huge advantage. Otherwise it's just Reddit 2.0

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

It's federated so much more unlikely to be enshitified by money interests.

Right now the community is smaller and manageable so less bots and trolls

[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 months ago

No corporate control

[–] inbeesee@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I recently migrated here. I did so as a precaution, and still browse reddit sometimes .

Reddit IPO'ed, and is now focused on making money. They removed the API to centralize it's power and remove 3rd party apps. They threatened subreddits who protested, and shut some down. And have made sweeping changes to accommodate to advertisers.

The straw that broke the snoo's back was the CEO hinting at subreddit paywalls. I figured I would try to learn Lemmy again, and what do you know, it's more serious, has better comments and posts, segmented even more than reddit with the distros, and fully free/open source.

It also helps that I'm a huge computer nerd, and there's a lot of that on here, but you can find your niche.

[–] Der_Fossyler@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

Hello fellow nerd 👋

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Welcome! Don't take this wrong, but why didn't you come sooner? Reddit has had paywalls for as long as I can remember. r/TheLounge is an example of a famous one but any subreddit could enable restricting themselves to premium only.

[–] inbeesee@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's actually new information to me! The news was pointing to a broader push to subscriptions for subreddits site wide. Definitely not doing that.

I also admit that I am deeply unhappy with reddits enshittification. I've been on reddit for over a decade and joined when I was in highschool. Moving was the last thing I wanted, but I'm more aware of the big-corp-monopoly we're all suffering under. This is part of it.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I ripped the bandage off a few months before they shut down the API. I had to quit RIF cold turkey. I wanted it to be "my choice" if that makes sense. The official Reddit app just didn't do it for me.

I hope you enjoy your time here! I've liked it. My biggest piece of advice is to be the content you want to see. There is a lot less content here than Reddit. That's good and bad. Good because you get bored a little easier and move on lol, but bad because it can get a little boring. It's gotten a lot better though!

The other thing, and this is just a pet peeve lol, is that the proper way to link to communities is like !community@instance. A lot of people try to do c/community which doesn't work. If you do !community alone it will link to the local community which could totally not exist or have different rules etc.

example: !programming@programming.dev

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[–] Origen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I swapped because I refused to use their garbage fire of an app and they shut down my beautiful RIF. Unforgivable.

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[–] eezeebee@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

Ads look better in the official ad delivery app - download the app

"Oh, you already have a third party app that you love? Too bad, we're killing it."

Download the official app to view the rest of this comment

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Loony power tripping moderators can only ban you from their little bit rather than from the whole site.

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[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 6 points 2 months ago

For me its multiple reasons.

I really like the aspect and feeling of a small bonded community. There are a lot of people that are fairly active on Lemmy and you see them quite often.

The next thing is, that I personally had the experience, that people on Lemmy are much kinder than on Reddit. There are so many kind people on Lemmy and I had a lot of useful conversations that aren't like two monkeys throwing poop at each other.

What's also a really good thing is, is the fact of redundancy and federation. The fact that there are multiple instances, each with a unique style and feeling, is good so that everyone can find an instance that suits their needs(or they can host their own one if they want to). There are also sometimes multiple communities for the same topic on difference instances. I as example have blocked lemmy.ml due to their modding behaviour and I don't want to support this. This also means, that I won't engage in their Linux and askLemmy community's, but this isn't to bad, since both have duplicates on other instances.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

No ads disguised as posts.

[–] auzy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So.. Two things..

I have a funny story regarding modding on Lemmy..

Ran into two bad mods the other day (related to the same convo). But, gist of the story is, I got into a discussion with someone who heavily exaggerated and claimed I wanted to kill an entire minority, as I only 80% agreed with them (they were basically demanding government benefits which would cause a huge issue if applied to other communities which was required to be fair , and they couldn't even set the parameters of the rules for it). A Beehaw admin freely ignored the outrageous comment that the other mod made, and branded me instantly as "starting a fight".

As I was deleting my Beehaw account, I noticed that same non-beehaw mod had actually been in a thread I had also posted in a month ago which was discussing more conservative people moving to Lemmy (I'm VERY left). They basically said in the discussion they were constantly needing to remove "conservative" and people who were trying to start fights . This was ironic because doing the huge exaggeration thing and calling someone a derogatory name is basically out of the conservative playbook (and they were certainly the only ones fighting), and anywhere else it would be seen as rediculous behavior.

People in that thread though also made it sound like the rest of Lemmy was a cesspool. This colored my opinion of Lemmy and I realised my opinion came from that same thread, so, I didn't want to leave beehaw, and only took the leap recently.

I was actually hugely surprised by Lemmy World. Everyone is a lot more respectful here than I expected and I think its even a better safe space than beehaw, where . There are a lot more connected instances, so the bad actors get drowned out easier, and it promotes a healthy discussion, where science is encouraged. We might not all agree, but it's a lot easier to avoid echo chambers. The science memes community is also AWESOME on Lemmy and beats anywhere else imho.

Reddit on the other hand, doesn't seem to have good moderation (most mods are unpaid and the power hungry ones will try to manage hundreds of communities). It has degraded into people fishing for karma , and has a higher percentage of abusive people who also likely abuse others on facebook (many aussie subs have degraded into far right wing where science is discouraged and people purposely try to push an echo chamber). THere are a lot of good mods here though, and if you don't like a community, you can block it and find another one.. The cool part is that I suspect over time, this will eventually keep mods honest.

The biggest problem is that Reddit SHOULD have acted on FatPeopleHate, the Donald and Female Dating strategy. They didn't act on jailbait either apparently. Those people established themselves permanently into the community, grew to some of the largest communities and the moment mods left, many of those same communities likely did a power grab too. Reddit staff don't really care either, and since the people running the servers don't seemingly care (similar to facebook), it simply encourages them

[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Lemmy isn't a single website like reddit.com is. It's rather a collection of decentralised servers ("instances") offering the same service (one very similar to reddit). It's often compared to e-mail - just as Gmail users can talk to Outlook users, lemmy.world users can post and comment on lemmy.ml from their home instance.

What this does is it removes the centralised aspects of Reddit - if a community has powertripping mods one can make an alternate community (like on Reddit). But this goes a step above - powertripping server admins can be reigned in by simply switching instances.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It still falls into some of the same pitfalls that Reddit had (groupthink, reflexive commenting, power-tripping mods), but some of those problems I don't know that there's a way to get around them in this format, they're just a human nature sort of issue. I appreciate that Lemmy doesn't appear to be owned by a giant mega-corp trying to harvest our "intellectual", but we'll see how that pans out in the future. I've just gotten used to every online service I've used eventually going to shit.

I like that there's no advertising at the moment, I don't know that I would mind it so much if there was advertising, as long as it was kept minimal. I know these things don't just happen for free and if money is needed to help keep the lights on and such.

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[–] rooster_butt@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

Third party apps

[–] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

You're coming at this from the design and community aspect. I don't think Lemmy makes significant improvements over Reddit on those fronts, it's designed the same, has the same benefits and drawbacks. As of right now the small size of the community makes it lacking in diversity and impractical for niche interests (aside from tech-related ones).

My case for Lemmy being better is a business case: Reddit was a for-profit company backed by venture capital, and is now publicly traded. They are extremely susceptible to enshittification, and are in fact already deep in that process.

Meanwhile, Lemmy is an open source software that enables users to host their own social media. It's not even a business at all, i'm not even sure if the developer (LemmyNet) is a business or a person or some other legal entity.

Fediverse social medias (Lemmy, Mastodon) are structurally resilient to the enshittification that we're seeing from corporate social medias, and i like that a lot.

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[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We control it. It's libre software.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There's a lot less commercial interest.

Not just no ads, but also no users trying to push products or gain karma for account selling and all that crap.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

The idea of someone trying to sell a Lemmy account is pretty funny though.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 2 months ago

Mass down voting was not the reason I left Reddit. Was it why you left? If so then, we'll, sure, maybe it's not better for you lol. Lemmy doesn't track your total points (or "karma" as some call it) which most people seem to appreciate.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago

Democracy manifest!

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (11 children)

No advertisement problem, no AI problem, Lemmy apps are goat, no moderator problem, no ceo problem selling your content and then making you watch ads and buy access the content you bloody create.

Fuck reddit.

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[–] roserose56@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Simple, no Karma whoring, real people to argue, no bots posting fake stories about something that happened related to the post, and best of all, controlled by users and not corporate people.

[–] icedcoffee@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No spez. The rest is kinda similar (except on a technical level that mostly matters to nerds)

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[–] fprawn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

The form of this kind of social media has got the same set of upsides and downsides as it does on Reddit. It won’t be exactly the same because the people are different, but the problems aren’t that different and the people aren’t that different either.

As a mostly lurker I find the experience pretty similar. I scroll through and find some interesting articles, bits of news, memes. It’s a slower pace, but I think in time it'll grow faster. People migrate over occasionally, but there may be a critical mass moment when it’s big enough that lots of people start flooding over. Or it won’t and it’ll just fizzle out to nothing over time, who knows. For the moment it’s good enough for me to have replaced Reddit entirely.

As for things that are better: you get a lot more control over how you want to experience it. There’s no singular controller always dragging the experience down toward profitability. There are clients a-plenty, the api is open, you can control what parts of the network you see and which you don’t. It does take some effort, of course.

As for worse, because there’s no singular entity controlling the network, there’s going to be some very dark corners. You can block them (many will be blocked by individual server operators already), but they’re still there and they get to carry the Lemmy name and newcomers are most likely to experience it.

Just my thoughts on the subject, it’s been discussed a lot, I’m sure other people have quite different perspectives.

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