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[–] rentar42@kbin.social 145 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Billionaires don't "work". At least not in the sense that they get some amount of money that's in any way in relation to the value they create. They shuffle around money to do things for them and sometimes that makes them more money. Calling that "work" lessens the meaning of that word and gives them too much credit.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They make more money because they already have so much money. At those levels, the money makes itself.

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[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 24 points 1 year ago

No they don't really do that either, they pay people to do it for them.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's also impossible to work hard enough to "earn" a billion dollars. Billionaires are billionaires because they stole the wages and wealth from the workers who helped them succeed. None of them "earned" it because it's literally impossible to be such a good worker that you're worth a billion.

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[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

They shuffle around money to do things for them and sometimes that makes them more money.

Slight clarification: they pay people to shuffle money around to make them more money. It's all automated at this point to ensure they don't have to do anything.

[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I remember this study done:

"Today's rich families in Florence, Italy, were rich 700 years ago"
https://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11691818/barone-mocetti-florence

[–] hh93@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

The only German in the top 10 of the richest Germans that didn't inherit that spot is the founder of Biontec - and while he did a great job there it's just sheer luck that the pandemic hit when it did

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[–] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Water is wet.

The sky is blue.

Yachts are an indefensible source of carbon emissions.

[–] SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Incoming Republicans who live in a trailer park to get upset at you over talking shit about something only the rich own

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[–] osarusan@kbin.social 56 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I mean, if you inherit a billion dollars, that's more money than you will ever earn in several lifetimes of actual work... so yeah.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's closer to more money than your entire extended family will earn in the next 50-100 generations of your family combined.

Good spirit in your comment, but it demonstrates the fundamental disconnect in how humans perceive vast sums of wealth. A YouTube personality, Tom Scott, did one of the best jobs I've seen of making this concept digestible for people, worth a watch: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8YUWDrLazCg

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[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

that's more money than you will ever earn in several lifetimes of actual work.

Imagine you earn 20 dollars an hour, ten hours a day, work five days a week, two weeks vacation so that's 50 weeks a year.

20 x 10 x 5 x 50 = 50,000 per year. All your expenses are covered for some reason.

To earn a million dollars you would need to work 20 years.

To earn a billion dollars you would need to work 20,000 years.

To be as rich as Elon Musk is now, you would need to work ~~3.7~~ 4.28 million years .

e: updated Musk number.

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look, I hate to say it but Elon earned his money by working 370,000 times harder than the rest of us

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It seems like there is definitely an upper limit to the amount of money you can make from actual work. That doesn't seem fair

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

That doesn't seem fair

Ya don't say

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you earn $100 an hour, and worked every day for 8 hours, and never spent anything, you'd have to have been working since 1400BC to earn a billion dollars.

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[–] isles@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you stacked all the billionaires in the world, head to toe, starting at the bottom of the Mariana Trench... it'd be a start.

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[–] livus@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course they do. It's simple math.

There was a study on ownership in London's wealthy "City of London" district about 10 years ago which found most of it had been in the same families for several hundred years.

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Seriously. They have a multi-generational culture of hoarding as much wealth as possible.

It would be an embarrassment if any of their offspring lost their wealth considering how many safeguards are put in place to protect it.

[–] filoria@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The problem is that wealth correlates directly with power in the West. You'll never see a Western billionaire get Jack Ma'd, and that's the problem: Western billionaires have less accountability and more rights than the average citizen.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jack Ma didn't get knocked down because he's rich.

It was because he pissed off the CPC.

Not that I want to defend any mega-rich person, but he seemed to be using the influence that his wealth allowed him to speak out against actual oppressors.

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[–] OtakuAltair@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah, democracy my ass lol

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

You're saying that like it's a unique problem to the West. Do you think Asian billionaires don't have extra rights and latitude?

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The rich typically hate welfare...unless that welfare is unearned wealth passed down to children.

[–] captain_oni@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Hey!! My dad worked very hard to inherit his wealth from his father, so I should benefit from that too! - billionaires

[–] regdog@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That statement is true for **every ** generation of billionaires, not just the current one.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Musk, Gates, Bezos, and Zuckerberg all had multi millionaire parents that gave them "small loans" that catapulted them to billionaires. Now their fortunes, made in our lifetime by the labor of others, will be locked up for the next 400 years while people starve or die of preventable and treatable diseases.

Edit: Removed a raping skunk.

[–] Patches@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Will be locked up for the next 400 years while people starve or die of preventable and treatable diseases.

It really doesn't have to be. The French figured this out a long time ago.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago

The French also existed within the same reality that they could agree on.

The right and left in America might as well be living in alternative realities... On the right they'll defend this to the death, they'll fight for Bezos as he crushes their local economies and they'll lick musks boots as long as he keeps "sticking it to the libs."

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately they also got way too happy with guillotines and devolved into anarchy. Robespierre had his reign of terror, and then he had his own head chopped off.

I'm not saying we don't redistribute their wealth. Let's just be careful to not do it in a way that leads to repeated redistribution because violence is normalized.

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[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why is this a surprise, exactly?

[–] hh93@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

It still needs to be repeated over and over since people are absolutely opposing a higher inheritance tax thinking it would influence them inheriting their grandma's house because that's how those populists are usually spinning it...

[–] bratosch@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Ikr? Everyone today grinding for that "generational wealth" and I honestly don't see why. Do people really want more spoiled brats in the world?

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Life kinda sucks, wealth insulates you from the worst of it, and affords you more opportunities.

If you're rich you can become an actor, poet, artist, writer, athlete, journalist, doctor, academic, etc. No coincidence that people in these fields are disproportionately from well off families who were able to support them.

Without wealth, a lot of those careers and opportunities are closed to you, and you end up doing dead end jobs, even if you have far more potential. Not that surprising that rich people who love their kids (and grandkids) would want them to have that opportunity.

Of course, too much money can also fuck you over, so perhaps Bill Gates has the right idea in not giving his children too much, and donating most of his wealth.

It's also quite obviously not fair. Some fields are dominated by defacto aristocracy, and it is to the detriment of society that it isn't truly meritocratic, but I get why their parents want to give them that opportunity.

[–] Slotos@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You seem to be mistaking a chance to give your family a place to live with whatever the fuck a billion is supposed to offer them.

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[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"work". Well, i guess it's networking.

[–] negativenull@startrek.website 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine working so hard, you end up getting birthed by a billionaire! Keep pulling those bootstraps peasants!

[–] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

Please sign up for thislifelong debt subscription service for a threadbare set of bootstraps that have a limited lifetime warranty and will break due to non covered reasons.

[–] Cosmicomical@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

If it was for me i would abolish Inheritance entirely. The problem is i cannot imagine a non-dictatorial type of system that could make it work. You would have to make presents illegal, and other things like this. If anybody knows a solution please let me know and they got my vote
edit: a letter

[–] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think a scaling inheritance tax that accounts for all assets could work

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[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think inheritance should be illegal, but there should be a wealth cap.

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[–] reflex@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Next generation of billionaires ... from inheritance

Sure must be nice to have that to look forward to in life.

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[–] arandomthought@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it different for the current generation?

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