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Putin says we must think how to stop 'the tragedy' of war in Ukraine (www.reuters.com)

submitted 10 months ago by runiq@feddit.de to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz

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I'm honestly hesitant to post this here, but… the absolute ludicrosity compels me. How? How does he have the gall to say something like that? He ought to burst into flames on the spot.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 97 points 10 months ago (1 children)

IDK, you could like, fucking, leave?

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 25 points 10 months ago

At any time, even! Literally he could just tell his dudes to hit the bricks.

[–] donuts@kbin.social 60 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Tutorial: How Putin can stop the tragedy of war in Ukraine

Pull troops out of Ukraine.
Jump out of highest window in Moscow.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 16 points 10 months ago

In that order.

[–] Treczoks@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

And pay reparations to Ukraine before jumping out of that window.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

2 Isn't realistic

He'd never jump, it'd be an accidental fall with 2 gunshots in the back of his skull.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 55 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, I wonder who can stop the war? Maybe the person who started it?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

But then he'd have to assassinate himself for saying he can't win the war!

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ya know what? I'd be okay with that. Be the first good thing he's done in ages.

[–] DarkenLM@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

So, just like a certain German dude?

[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Assassinated by whom? Isn't he the leader of Russia? or is there someone in the shadows always wanting war for Russia and if the president dont support war, he is then replaced by another Russian?

[+] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 42 points 10 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] addie@feddit.uk 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Where he's likely to be going with this is "war ends, but Russia gets to keep the territory they've illegally annexed". And that will not do. They stole Crimea; if they get to steal more, then they'll just be back again in a few years once they've licked their wounds. All territory must be returned to Ukraine, and then they can pay reparations and fuck off, and we'll welcome Ukraine into the EU and NATO so this shit never happens again.

[–] runiq@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago

Hear hear.

[–] Truck_kun@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well that is the best of all worlds, I would settle for returning all Ukrainian citizens, leaving any Ukrainian land other than Crimea, and letting Ukraine join the EU & NATO.

There is real potential for Russia to lose Crimea at this point, and Ukraine hasn't had control of it in almost a decade, so their citizen's shouldn't be there at this point. I know it sucks to say give up Crimea, but for the sake of ending this war, and preventing any future war (EU/NATO membership), I don't think that is unreasonable at this point (of course, all matters are entirely up to Ukrainians, and anyone else has no right to make decisions regarding a concession - just my 2 cents, and I am plenty willing for my tax dollars to keep going to supporting Ukraine for as long as it takes).

[–] canis_majoris@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

Giving up Crimea is like, an apex Conservative taking point for compromising and ending the war. It's unacceptable, it was annexed illegally and it belongs to Ukraine and Ukraine alone.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think the opposition to the give up Crimea part is that Russia has to be demonstrated to demonstrably lose because of their actions. We need to prove that this empire building attitude is an attitude of ancient history and no longer works.

Rather like how Japan was made to give up territory in China at the end of the second world war.

If they are allowed to keep Crimea then there are some who will say that it's worth the risk because sometimes you're allowed to keep the territory.

I think Russia in general would be much more amenable to giving up Crimea if Putin wasn't around anymore. It's not really the world versus Russia it's the world versus Putin, it's not as if Russia has a democracy.

[–] _s10e@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago

I mean if this is his way of coping with his complete fuckup and preparing his people for the withdrawal, this might be a good thing

This. He signals that he wants a way out.

Of course, he'll try to get or keep as much as possible, but saving face seems more important than victory. There's hope.

Maybe we can all agree to say on Russia TV that glorius Russia won.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 32 points 10 months ago

'We're all just trying to figure out who did this.'

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

“Will no one rid me of this meddlesome myself?”

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

Well, it has been a political tragedy for him.

[–] Ulara@sopuli.xyz 16 points 10 months ago

He has been trapped in the propaganda bubble and has become delusional as a result of it.

[–] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 16 points 10 months ago

How about a classic "eat shit and die" strategy? I think it's perfect for the situation at hand, Mr. Cockmuncher.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 16 points 10 months ago

nottheonion material

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 16 points 10 months ago

He should try gargling a Kalashnikov.

[–] manucode@infosec.pub 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why's there an empty ball pit in the middle of Putin's desk?

[–] CanadaPlus 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's how you can tell he's top dog. The balls are just out for cleaning.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 6 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately the war can’t end without them. He doesn’t have the balls to end the war respectfully.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Putin can make out with a firearm, I bet that would work.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 12 points 10 months ago

Putin, I think you should leave

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"We"?

[–] stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a royal "we".

[–] lorez@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Oh..

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 10 months ago

Perhaps by "tragedy" he means how badly it's going.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

rings bell

Leave.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

“Give it to me now”

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ludicrosity

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ridiculousness

[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Audacity

[–] runiq@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

Thank you, internet thesaurus. English is not my native language.

[–] Tavonyms@mastodon.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@runiq just more Russia BS!

[–] runiq@feddit.de 3 points 10 months ago

You're not wrong…

[+] Num10ck@lemmy.world -42 points 10 months ago (5 children)

im seeing experts on youtube explainjng how some are saying that its been a stalemate for so long with so many casualties.. neither side appears to have the stomach to scale up the money/weapons/political costs necessary to drastically change the math, so its likely time to negotiate something.. likely ukraine promises not to join the EU/NATO and the territories will be split somehow.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Russia is free to go the fuck home. Until then, I will continue to send money and I will implore my government to continue to send bullets to the Ukrainians defending their homes from the invader.

[–] CatChucks@mastodon.social 11 points 10 months ago

@BombOmOm Thank you for supporting Ukrainians!

[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

You should probably widen your media diet, there's active information warfare going on from both sides and their allies, a lot of misinformation and propaganda abound.

Besides, Ukraine not long ago did promise to remove their nukes in exchange for not guarantees of not being invaded by Russia.

Promises made by the same sitting head of state.

Makes it hard to trust any deal that isn't surrendering the country.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 10 points 10 months ago

neither side appears to have the stomach to scale up the money/weapons/political costs necessary to drastically change the math

How does one "scale up the money"? That doesn't make sense.

You seriously believe that Ukraine is holding back? You think they wouldn't "drastically change the math"s if they could?

[–] runiq@feddit.de 5 points 10 months ago

Those experts on Youtube can lick me where the sun don't shine

[–] shottymcb@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

experts on youtube

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