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One of the major drivers of the exceptional heat building within Earth's atmosphere has reached levels beyond anything humans have ever experienced, officials announced on Thursday. Carbon dioxide, the gas that accounts for the majority of global warming caused by human activities, is accumulating "faster than ever," scientists from NOAA, the Scripps Institution of Oceanography and the University of California San Diego found. 

"Over the past year, we've experienced the hottest year on record, the hottest ocean temperatures on record, and a seemingly endless string of heat waves, droughts, floods, wildfires and storms," NOAA Administrator Rick Spinrad said in a press release. "Now we are finding that atmospheric CO2 levels are increasing faster than ever."

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[–] UnpopularCrow@lemmy.world 80 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Luckily, the fossil fuel companies told us it isn’t anthropogenic and not to worry about this so we will be okay. /s

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 51 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

They’re also gunning for precedent of immunity from repercussions of wrongdoing through SCOTUS as we speak.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/09/fossil-fuel-allies-pressuring-supreme-court

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Won't save them from the mobs and pitchforks.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (13 children)

I mean, that’s great and all, but you can’t reappropriate corporate funds with pitchforks.

We need punitive rulings and legislation.

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[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I've also been told that despite emitting close to a third of the world's over all emissions, China produces less per capita than some developed countries so climate change is giving them a pass.

So that's a third taken care of right there!

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

That’s the scapegoat argument from US industry and politicians. The only reason the US is second to China in carbon emissions is because of the excessive outsourcing of US manufacturing to China.

The US is responsible for the most carbon emissions worldwide.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Who controls the manufacturing processes in China? Who accepts the manufacturing contracts? Who controls their energy grid?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Gotta keep that finger pointed, huh? I’m American, and I’m fully aware of our massive contribution to carbon emissions, and the responsibility that puts on our industry and consumers to reduce and mitigate. Pointing fingers at China gives American industry a false benchmark for comparison.

Carbon emissions over time

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-which-countries-are-historically-responsible-for-climate-change/

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Implying that the US needs to not only retrofit their own grid but also China's is nonsensical...

China has benefitted economically from their emissions, they are the second largest economy in the world. They're not some backwater third-world country at this point, they can afford to take responsibility for getting their own emissions under control. They in fact must, because no one can afford to fix their problems for them.

Perhaps they could save on emissions by closing down some of their concentration camps.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

Manufacturing creates emissions. Period. The US outsources over 84% of its manufacturing to China, so the emissions generated by said manufacturing are effectively US emissions. Climate scientists agree. Politicians and US industry deny responsibility.

https://www.scmr.com/wp_content/e2open_wp_outsourcing_mfg_011316.pdf

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And not just the US. The whole western world effectively runs on Chinese coal.

And when China get around to outsourcing it all to Africa which is already on the way to being China's China, we'll still be running it all on fossil fuels.

You can try taxing everything based on its ecological footprint, sanctions on non-complying countries, etc, but all that will mean in the long term is prices will go up, people will feel poorer, and you'll be voted out in favour of somebody who doesn't give a shit.

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[–] juice702@lemmy.world 54 points 5 months ago (7 children)

When do we eat the rich and begin sabotaging these assholes private jets?

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Sorry best we can do is misunderstand the root causes and misdirect our rage to marginalized people and turn to full blown fascism

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Which in turn leads to war, which destroys the environment tenfold, making sure even the slim chance of humanity coming through this as anything resembling civilisation even slimmer. We're thoroughly fucked. But hey, we created sooo much value for shareholders!

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[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There's gotta be people who have nothing to lose who are willing to start doing crazy fucked up shit, even if dying in the process.

I wonder how many there are, and what the spark would be for them to start going nuts.

But maybe also, there just aren't that many willing or rock bottom yet. Maybe we're mostly still comfortable, albeit unhappy. Might take a few more decades of business as usual.

Bread and circuses.

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Most of those people are on the right fighting the valiant fight against 15 minute cities.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

You can start now.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fun fact: Teton County, Wyoming has the most billionaires per capita. Their jets are parked at the airport.

Do with this information what you will.

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[–] secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Wait... we aren't supposed to eat them yet?

...uh oh

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 52 points 5 months ago (4 children)

"The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere today is comparable to where it was around 4.3 million years ago during the mid-Pliocene epoch," NOAA said, "when sea level was about 75 feet higher than today, the average temperature was 7 degrees Fahrenheit higher than in pre-industrial times and studies indicate large forests occupied areas of the Arctic that are now tundra."

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago
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[–] jorp@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Until someone finds a way to combat climate change that also grows the GDP and makes all of the lines go up then what's the point of taking any action? Profit is the only thing that matters above the lives of any human or animal. If it's not profitable to fight climate change how can that be a good decision? Lol imagine making a decision that's not profitable. Imagine doing something that doesn't make the line go up! This is why nobody takes scientists and liberals and leftists seriously. Do you even realize the profit impact of what you're suggesting? GDP must only go up. UP UP UP

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[–] secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Climate scientists should have lit themselves on fire in public places to warn us.

It's their fault!

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If only they'd have said something. Repeatedly. For the last 50 years or so.

Oh well, too late now. Better burn a bit more so oil execs can finish the game with a high score.

[–] skulblaka@startrek.website 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

For the last 50 years or so

Multiply that by 3 and you're nearly correct. The first "quantitative prediction of global warming due to a hypothetical doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide" was published in 1896 by Svante Arrhenius, building on research from John Tyndall as far back as 1859. Source: Wikipedia, but with appropriate citations to the works in question.

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Y’all are all forgetting something really important, a lot of people really wanted to make a lot of money. So it’s totally cool, they’ll definitely figure that problem out in the future

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[–] Voran@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

I get that it's a bit inappropriate to be flippant and make jokes but if I worried about this every time I saw a headline about it I'd die from my adrenal glands exploding and melting a hole through the back of my computer chair.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

I think the only thing that's going to save us from climate change is another ice age.

And we and our children, and all of our grandchildren, and great great grandchildren, will be long dead by then.

[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

But an ice age would be a considerable change in climate.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's true.

I mean more like, the only way I suspect we'll get back to pre industrial levels of co2 is with another ice age. Because I doubt civilization as we know it is going to survive long enough to fix it.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This one is a much better explanation and unfortunately i tend to agree with you here that humanity will not solve this in time.
... unless, maybe, we apply drastic geo - engineering methods that would solve only part of the problem.
And so, i expect a sharp decrease in humanity's population over the next few decades.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

And unfortunately most of that population reduction is going to be people that were not even hooked on fossil fuels to begin with.

As well as all of the other innocent life on this planet that is suffering right now and will continue to suffer.

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[–] A_A@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

My first guess on the title was : "this should be caused by a positive feedback with forest fires in the loop".
...so, I went and read this Wikipedia article :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_feedbacks
... and it says :

(...) Carbon cycle uncertainty is driven by the large rates at which CO~2~ is both absorbed into plants and released when biomass burns or decays. For instance, permafrost thaw produces both CO~2~ and methane emissions, in ways that are difficult to model. (...)

But it also says that this one is not the most important feedback loop.

[–] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What do you want from me?

I already gave up everything, life is just work eat(if lucky i get to eat enough) sleep.

You ate up the value of my income and keep making everything more expensive while not adjusting my wage AND telling me to work harder. Fuck no.

You fix it, i don't have the means.

[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I feel like this was always the plan. Put the plebian frog in the pot of 9-5 corporate hellscape and slowly boil it. We're all too exhausted to fight.

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[–] TheDeepState@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Not all of us. Realistically not me (46) or my kids (13, 11, 11) because we are Canadian but in the next 59 years? A lot of poor and brown ppl are going to die and we are going to collectively shrug. I'm genuinely curious what is going to be the event to push rich white countries to act.

Long story short, enjoy the ride. We don't know what the fuck we're doing.

[–] BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I hate to break this to you, but you’re not immortal. You will die.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

Didn't you read their comment? They're Canadian.

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[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

Don't need to be immortal. Just need to outlive the rest of you fuckers. Then I might be able to finally have some peace and quiet. Lol

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[–] cmeu@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (7 children)

All those bombs and planes and tanks and drones and machinery of death emit CO2 - also the burning rubble and bodies

Look around, we're killing ourselves at every possible opportunity

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[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Spain has begun the planning for 100 human arcs (salvavidas as they call them). Each arc is a complex built into one of several mountain sides and each will hold 1000 people with room for hydroponics etc. The plan is that construction begins by 2030 and the lottery is held near 2037 when they’re nearing completion. But if you’re not a citizen or resident of Spain you’re not eligible for the lottery. Everyone else will fry unless your country is planning something similar.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's hilarious. They could put a large dent in the climate problem for the same investment. Instead they're going full dystopian sci fi.

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