Luckily, the fossil fuel companies told us it isn’t anthropogenic and not to worry about this so we will be okay. /s
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They’re also gunning for precedent of immunity from repercussions of wrongdoing through SCOTUS as we speak.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/09/fossil-fuel-allies-pressuring-supreme-court
Won't save them from the mobs and pitchforks.
I mean, that’s great and all, but you can’t reappropriate corporate funds with pitchforks.
We need punitive rulings and legislation.
I've also been told that despite emitting close to a third of the world's over all emissions, China produces less per capita than some developed countries so climate change is giving them a pass.
So that's a third taken care of right there!
That’s the scapegoat argument from US industry and politicians. The only reason the US is second to China in carbon emissions is because of the excessive outsourcing of US manufacturing to China.
The US is responsible for the most carbon emissions worldwide.
Who controls the manufacturing processes in China? Who accepts the manufacturing contracts? Who controls their energy grid?
Gotta keep that finger pointed, huh? I’m American, and I’m fully aware of our massive contribution to carbon emissions, and the responsibility that puts on our industry and consumers to reduce and mitigate. Pointing fingers at China gives American industry a false benchmark for comparison.
Implying that the US needs to not only retrofit their own grid but also China's is nonsensical...
China has benefitted economically from their emissions, they are the second largest economy in the world. They're not some backwater third-world country at this point, they can afford to take responsibility for getting their own emissions under control. They in fact must, because no one can afford to fix their problems for them.
Perhaps they could save on emissions by closing down some of their concentration camps.
Manufacturing creates emissions. Period. The US outsources over 84% of its manufacturing to China, so the emissions generated by said manufacturing are effectively US emissions. Climate scientists agree. Politicians and US industry deny responsibility.
https://www.scmr.com/wp_content/e2open_wp_outsourcing_mfg_011316.pdf
And not just the US. The whole western world effectively runs on Chinese coal.
And when China get around to outsourcing it all to Africa which is already on the way to being China's China, we'll still be running it all on fossil fuels.
You can try taxing everything based on its ecological footprint, sanctions on non-complying countries, etc, but all that will mean in the long term is prices will go up, people will feel poorer, and you'll be voted out in favour of somebody who doesn't give a shit.
When do we eat the rich and begin sabotaging these assholes private jets?
Sorry best we can do is misunderstand the root causes and misdirect our rage to marginalized people and turn to full blown fascism
Which in turn leads to war, which destroys the environment tenfold, making sure even the slim chance of humanity coming through this as anything resembling civilisation even slimmer. We're thoroughly fucked. But hey, we created sooo much value for shareholders!
There's gotta be people who have nothing to lose who are willing to start doing crazy fucked up shit, even if dying in the process.
I wonder how many there are, and what the spark would be for them to start going nuts.
But maybe also, there just aren't that many willing or rock bottom yet. Maybe we're mostly still comfortable, albeit unhappy. Might take a few more decades of business as usual.
Bread and circuses.
Most of those people are on the right fighting the valiant fight against 15 minute cities.
You can start now.
Fun fact: Teton County, Wyoming has the most billionaires per capita. Their jets are parked at the airport.
Do with this information what you will.
Wait... we aren't supposed to eat them yet?
...uh oh
"The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere today is comparable to where it was around 4.3 million years ago during the mid-Pliocene epoch," NOAA said, "when sea level was about 75 feet higher than today, the average temperature was 7 degrees Fahrenheit higher than in pre-industrial times and studies indicate large forests occupied areas of the Arctic that are now tundra."
Uh-oh
Until someone finds a way to combat climate change that also grows the GDP and makes all of the lines go up then what's the point of taking any action? Profit is the only thing that matters above the lives of any human or animal. If it's not profitable to fight climate change how can that be a good decision? Lol imagine making a decision that's not profitable. Imagine doing something that doesn't make the line go up! This is why nobody takes scientists and liberals and leftists seriously. Do you even realize the profit impact of what you're suggesting? GDP must only go up. UP UP UP
Climate scientists should have lit themselves on fire in public places to warn us.
It's their fault!
If only they'd have said something. Repeatedly. For the last 50 years or so.
Oh well, too late now. Better burn a bit more so oil execs can finish the game with a high score.
For the last 50 years or so
Multiply that by 3 and you're nearly correct. The first "quantitative prediction of global warming due to a hypothetical doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide" was published in 1896 by Svante Arrhenius, building on research from John Tyndall as far back as 1859. Source: Wikipedia, but with appropriate citations to the works in question.
Y’all are all forgetting something really important, a lot of people really wanted to make a lot of money. So it’s totally cool, they’ll definitely figure that problem out in the future
I get that it's a bit inappropriate to be flippant and make jokes but if I worried about this every time I saw a headline about it I'd die from my adrenal glands exploding and melting a hole through the back of my computer chair.
I think the only thing that's going to save us from climate change is another ice age.
And we and our children, and all of our grandchildren, and great great grandchildren, will be long dead by then.
But an ice age would be a considerable change in climate.
That's true.
I mean more like, the only way I suspect we'll get back to pre industrial levels of co2 is with another ice age. Because I doubt civilization as we know it is going to survive long enough to fix it.
This one is a much better explanation and unfortunately i tend to agree with you here that humanity will not solve this in time.
... unless, maybe, we apply drastic geo - engineering methods that would solve only part of the problem.
And so, i expect a sharp decrease in humanity's population over the next few decades.
And unfortunately most of that population reduction is going to be people that were not even hooked on fossil fuels to begin with.
As well as all of the other innocent life on this planet that is suffering right now and will continue to suffer.
My first guess on the title was : "this should be caused by a positive feedback with forest fires in the loop".
...so, I went and read this Wikipedia article :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_feedbacks
... and it says :
(...) Carbon cycle uncertainty is driven by the large rates at which CO~2~ is both absorbed into plants and released when biomass burns or decays. For instance, permafrost thaw produces both CO~2~ and methane emissions, in ways that are difficult to model. (...)
But it also says that this one is not the most important feedback loop.
What do you want from me?
I already gave up everything, life is just work eat(if lucky i get to eat enough) sleep.
You ate up the value of my income and keep making everything more expensive while not adjusting my wage AND telling me to work harder. Fuck no.
You fix it, i don't have the means.
I feel like this was always the plan. Put the plebian frog in the pot of 9-5 corporate hellscape and slowly boil it. We're all too exhausted to fight.
We are all going to die!
Not all of us. Realistically not me (46) or my kids (13, 11, 11) because we are Canadian but in the next 59 years? A lot of poor and brown ppl are going to die and we are going to collectively shrug. I'm genuinely curious what is going to be the event to push rich white countries to act.
Long story short, enjoy the ride. We don't know what the fuck we're doing.
I hate to break this to you, but you’re not immortal. You will die.
Don't need to be immortal. Just need to outlive the rest of you fuckers. Then I might be able to finally have some peace and quiet. Lol
All those bombs and planes and tanks and drones and machinery of death emit CO2 - also the burning rubble and bodies
Look around, we're killing ourselves at every possible opportunity
Spain has begun the planning for 100 human arcs (salvavidas as they call them). Each arc is a complex built into one of several mountain sides and each will hold 1000 people with room for hydroponics etc. The plan is that construction begins by 2030 and the lottery is held near 2037 when they’re nearing completion. But if you’re not a citizen or resident of Spain you’re not eligible for the lottery. Everyone else will fry unless your country is planning something similar.
That's hilarious. They could put a large dent in the climate problem for the same investment. Instead they're going full dystopian sci fi.