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[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 184 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

I'm shocked more people aren't already better prepared for this, but it's actually the same thing we should be doing now, and continue to do if Biden actually wins:

Organize locally. Get hyperlocal. Organize your city, neighbors, block, building, workplace, and friend group. Establish mutual aid networks, take back city councils, county boards, and school boards from the stewards of landlords and big employers.

Establish protection for those who need it, and plant the crop of future national leaders who will do the long overdue work of putting government to work for the masses. Make it harder for any president or governor to exercise state violence by getting our people in prosecutors offices and judgeships.

The Democrats are not going to save us. Biden is just planning to go down with the ship. Absolutely vote for the lesser of two evils if you live somewhere where your vote matters, but recognize that the Democratic party is not an ally to the antifascist movement, because combating fascism conflicts with the interests of capital.

That can change, but until it does, don't put faith in them. Anything positive they do will be because power-players were replaced. And that starts in your own neighborhood.

Edit: Since this has been well received, I want to say a quick word on third parties: don't be afraid of them.

Without getting into a lot of details, there are a lot of myths about the risks that third parties present, but before we parrot all of that, we should just acknowledge that there is no harm in listening to their platforms. It doesn't make you a kook to hear ideas that often get suppressed by the mainstream, or to use third parties as a way to network and meet people. I think Jill Stein has a lot of useful things to say, and if a pollster asks me, I will gladly try to bump her numbers up so that she is harder to ignore. Don't be afraid to do that.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 6 months ago (7 children)

This is good, and I'm piggybacking so I can add on:

Get a passport, make friends in another country.

Vote to slow them down, yell at anyone who tries to say that it's better to not vote or that Trump would be better for Palestinians.

If you want to engage in electoral reform, you need to start years in advance.

If you live in Texas: Vote for Biden and encourage GOP voters to not vote for Trump. If you're in a place with lots of GOP weirdos, try publicly and loudly watch his rallies at 1.5x speed; I've heard it breaks the spell b/c his cadence gets disrupted. If Texas goes blue, Biden wins and all the DNC voters suddenly know they can win, making it immediately more likely.

If all else fails, remember someone might [Comment Cannot Legally Be Finished], which would solve multiple problems.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Texas was won by fewer than 633k votes. Considering Trump's popularity I'd say it's ripe for flipping but we can't lay down on the job. Also the GOP policies are pushing out liberals and people that are vulnerable (LGBTQ+ and families with LGBTQ+ kids) so the window is closing.

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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

You. I like you.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Just be careful you dont get "Boeing"ed.

[–] Whirlygirl9@kbin.melroy.org 101 points 6 months ago (18 children)

Project 2025 The plan the Conservative have for our future

This is for everyone that is taking the "oh well" stance... or the I'm going to wait it out stance... If you are unfamiliar with what the Republicans plan to do, I encourage you to look at the Project 2025 plan.

Some highlights

  • slash funding for the DOJ
  • dismantle the FBI
  • decimate environmental and climate change regulations in favor of fossil fuels
  • eliminate the department of commerce
  • ending the independence of multiple federal agencies
  • abolish the department of education
  • scientific funding would be limited to pro-conservative principles
  • end abortion nationwide
  • infuse government with Christianity
  • criminalize pornography
  • removing protections against discrimination for sexual or gender identity
  • terminating diversity, equity and inclusion programs and affirmative action
  • the military would be used for domestic law enforcement
  • the arrest and detention of undocumented immigrants
  • speedy capital punishment

Project director Paul Dans, a former Trump administration official, explained that Project 2025 is "systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army, aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state."

So, for fucks sake, can we stop saying that we can wait out Trump for another term. There won't be an America left if there is another term.

[–] maniel@sopuli.xyz 30 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Good luck with criminalizing porn

Anyway it's sickening and shocking, apparently you don't need a coup and president assassination for the Gilead to emerge

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 6 months ago (3 children)

They already blocked porn sites in a couple states

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 90 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I don't think you can state the plan legally

[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 60 points 6 months ago
[–] lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world 57 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Keep doing what I have been doing - dragging MAGA fence sitters back from the brink one by one. The ones who have adopted Trumpism as their religion are too far gone. But there are a lot who just need to be taken by the hand and shown a better path.

When you see MAGA BS, challenge it with well-reasoned arguments. The object really isn't to change the mind of the poster. It's to prevent them from changing the minds of others.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, there's a huge difference in tactics depending on whether you're trying to comvince the person you're arguing with, or the audience.

The latter is soo much easier - often it's enough to back them into a corner where they out themselves as wrong whatever they say, and they'll quickly descend into a ball of rage.

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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 51 points 6 months ago

I’m torn on this. I’m “white”-ish enough, no kids, can’t get pregnant (or anyone pregnant) and I’m in the top 10%… so would anything for me fundamentally change? No…. I could stick my head in the sand and ignore it, but that’s really not me and it freaking breaks my heart to see all the people it impacts.

So I see one of three things:

  1. Try to ignore it and keep voting blue and on policies to help those where i can
  2. go one step further and put my money where my mouth is and help run an Underground Railroad for those who need to get to blue states while they still have the rights
  3. flee to another country

I don’t really want to think about it, but it’s been at the back of my head.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 44 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Stick around and keep trying to improve the country despite everyone else's best efforts to fuck it all up

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[–] schwim@lemm.ee 39 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Same thing I did last time he was president. Ignore the news and spend as much time as possible in the woods on a bicycle.

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[–] Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Try to avoid being murdered by my neighbors.

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 33 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The same thing I did the last time he was president. Absolutely nothing.

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[–] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As much as I fear what Trump will do to the nation it probably won't have much of an effect on me personally.

I live in a deep red state that's already about as corrupt and authoritarian as it can be, of course that's never really true- but it's not like it's being held up by anything Trump will target. The powers that be and a wide majority of the population are already fully subservient to Trump so it'll just be business as usual here.

I'm middle-aged, own my home, no dependents, all the childhood friends I've had that would be vulnerable already moved away and I have a pretty small circle of family\friends and not really looking to expand. And have a good position that's very insulated from economic and political turbulence. I'm also a cis white male and a gun-owner, I blend pretty seamlessly unless I tell people what I think about state\national politics. And I love the food and nature here. Also I kinda can't imagine job hunting at this point at all, let alone in another state. I'd like to live in a place that better reflected my values but I don't actually think that would help me or anyone else.

I'm established here and I don't really have any incentive to leave. Nobody is coming for me here and me moving to a Blue state won't help anyone there. And my accent has made people react negatively to me in the past and I'm worried I'd actually appear to be more of a fish out of water in those places than I do here, even though that's kinda what I've always been here. I vote, I donate. I used to volunteer but I'm tired now. Weird that I've made such a comfortable home in a viper den but we make lives how and where we can.

I know it's just my privilege to say this but no matter what happens in 2024 my life will be pretty much the same for the foreseeable future. Intellectually I worry a lot about the fate of the nation and humanity but personally I worry more about collapsing global trade and infrastructure fucking up supply chains and creating civil unrest that will effect me personally. But idk what to do about that but worry so I guess why worry...

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Spend a solid week posting screenshots of my comments on this platform about how the DNC is digging their own grave after they inevitably blame the voters for their loss just like in 2016.

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[–] omega_x3@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Well apparently there are no negative consequences for staging a coop.

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee 44 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Coup. COUP! It's not a fucking chicken house!

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

He meant a co-op. A cooperative arrangement to leave the country

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 months ago

If I had a plan to respond to someone horrible getting elected president, I would've used it long before now.

[–] match@pawb.social 25 points 6 months ago

man fuck this i ain't have "flee the country" money

[–] _wizard@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I really don't want to be here if it happens. Full stop.

[–] Hegar@kbin.social 23 points 6 months ago

Curl up in a ball and weep a salty creek.

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

There's not much to do except try to stay in my house and not engage with the outside world any more than I have to for four years.

It's also not like the Democrats are going to reign Trump in in any significant way. (Don't get me wrong. I'm voting for Biden, I just don't expect much.)

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 36 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You are making a lot of assumptions. If everything goes absolutely perfectly we might have an end in four years. I doubt it though. This man has already started dismantling our government with his federalist society stooges on the court. He plans to gut the executive branch so there is no Opposition within government. He has shown he will use violence to keep power.

You don’t oppose fascism by being quiet. You oppose it by being loud and making it impossible for them to do their evil shit.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Continue living in California, and probably not go to any red state. At least not with my wife. Continue to vote Democrat and spread progressive values.

[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 15 points 6 months ago

California is clearly the best state. It's like if you bought the EU off wish.com, but at least there's hope 😂

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago (21 children)

If anyone needs help moving to the EU (and in particular Finland) let me know. I moved to Finland after 2016 (I saw the writing on the wall for awhile, before Trump - it's just that's when I finally had the best opportunity and Trump accelerated the need to move).

It takes less money to move than you might think to move. If you have a specialty (especially in STEM) it's really easy, and most jobs will even provide language classes for free.

If you don't, it's still possible, but it'll be much harder work I'll admit. You may end up as a janitor or laborer, but know this - you'll still be able to live comfortably. Wages can be much fairer here, public transportation is excellent to the point where you don't need a car at all, and you won't be bankrupted by healthcare. Even a low skilled SINGLE job will afford you financial security - something I remember was not the case in the USA.

And on the bright side, if you want to go to higher education here, university is a lot cheaper or, if you live long enough in a place to become a permanent resident or citizen, free.

If you get yourself at least 8k and 3 months of intensive Duolingo and maybe Mondly, you have a chance to move.

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[–] lurker_in_chat@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

Canada. Maybe northern Europe. But I live in a blue state and I don't want to see how long it takes him to say "states' rights only apply to those that voted for me"

[–] boatsnhos931@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Find new loopholes to exploit. Adapt and overcome. Possibly buy some some snacks.

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[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 months ago

The same thing I’m doing now. The same thing I did during trumps first term and Bidens too.

Build stronger ties and more resiliency within my community, organize and agitate to improve it for everyone.

[–] OlPatchy2Eyes@slrpnk.net 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

First I'll do whatever I can to be sure my communications and whereabouts aren't trackable, tell my friends how to contact me, and recommend they use the same channels anyway.

Then I'll find protests to go to and local campaigns to support however I see fit, and I'll do that right up to the point where I feel unsafe, at which point I don't know how I procede.

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[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just try to live my life like I did during all the bad presidents I've had over my life. I grew up protesting against George Bush Jr and my friends still died in Iraq. now I just try to live my best life, and love and help protect others. I've always been lower class and on the outside of middle class suburban America, so I'm used to just going about my life, no matter what's taboo, or illegal at the time. Hell, DnD was the devil when I was growing up and I still played it. I still smoked weed when it was illegal, and I'll still love a man even if they say I can't.

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[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 17 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Jump ship. Honestly, I’ll execute plan “leave the U.S. while it’s still possible.”

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[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

Resist. Reorganize. Endure. Survive. Same as we've always done with presidents.

Idk what settlers are gonna do. Probably what they always do: whine, move to someone else's land if they're seriously inconvenienced, steal their shit, ruin that too, complain about how this keeps happening to them.

[–] EssentialNPC@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Before the election we will be preparing bugout bags for my nuclear family and establishing concrete plans to flee.

After the election, if Trump wins we will monitor and be ready. At the first sign of trouble we get out of dodge. I have the ability to get EU citizenship for my family if need be. In the meantime, my wife and I have skills that can get us the privilege to move into some countries based on their employment needs.

My family and I would have reasons to be targeted by white nationalists if they felt empowered. I have received semi-threatening letters from such people in the past.

I hate that we have to think this way, but we do.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

In any sane world he’d have no chance. At least he’s shown enough incompetence and appointed so many corrupt greedy assistance, that he won’t succeed in doing as much damage as he wants, except to Ukraine. At this point it’s hard to believe he’s running for anything more than staying out of jail, making himself above the law

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[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

I'd like to think I'm not so backed into a corner that violence is the answer, so I'll do what I do every day of the week: keep my head down and wait.

If push comes to shove, and the lives of myself and my people are genuinely threatened, I won't retaliate in kind. I come from a long line of people that knew the benefits of blending in. I may not have the moxy to be a firebrand or to rally others to a cause, I may not have the heart to pull a trigger, but I have the means and skill to make triggers and the good sense to stay away from they places they get used.

It may not be the heroic sense of most Americans, but I was born into an America that sold us an action hero instead of providing us safety and I've never been one to buy rhetoric. I will not give my life for a cause, I will live to see it succeed.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

Just keep doing what I am doing. My kids will have citizenship in my wife's home country by the end of summer. So I can get them out if I have to. Me personally I am in no real danger.

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 14 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Try like hell to move across the pond or Japan.

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