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[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 71 points 6 months ago (8 children)

In case people don't know what Project 2025 is.

Here's the document:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise

AT LEAST READ THE FOREWARD. It very meticulously lays out their 4 goals:

  1. Restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children.
  1. Dismantle the administrative state and return self-governance to the American people.
  1. Defend our nation’s sovereignty, borders, and bounty against global threats.
  1. Secure our God-given individual rights to live freely—what our Constitution calls “the Blessings of Liberty

In plain language they want to:

  1. Effectively make LGBTQ+ persons illegal, unable to marry, adopt, or even exist openly, nationally ban abortion, ban education about black history and systemic racism;
  2. hamstring or eliminate a bunch of government agencies like the Department of Education, the EPA, the DOJ, Department of Homeland Security, and to eliminate many positions within the federal government or install loyal puppets;
  3. close our borders completely, pull out of NATO and the UN, invest heavily in oil, coal, and natural gas while divesting in renewable energy and removing environmental regulations, and exert extreme control over tech companies and universities;
  4. create school voucher programs which very much are to allow parents to segregate their children and use tax dollars to fund conservative, religious, private schools at k-12 levels, and eliminate social welfare programs. Also includes the contradiction of "champion the dynamic genius of free enterprise" and "include antitrust enforcement against corporate monopolies."

The whole thing is full of conservative buzz words, "anti-woke" rhetoric, and contradictions about free enterprise while wanting to exert control over people and "big tech."

But it's also dangerous because they're going to attempt to consolidate power to the next Republican president. There are complicated and far-reaching consequences to the things they're proposing that would take an academic paper to get into. For example, Ron DeSantis just signed a bill making lab-grown meat illegal because of the "global elite." It doesn't make any sense, but it's part of the reactionary, anti-leftist, culture war bullshit the Republicans are on right now.

That summary should be enough to show why this is so dangerous.

[–] z00s@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Here's the education of the guy who heads the think tank that made this bullshit up:

Roberts earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in history from the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, a Master of Arts in history from Virginia Tech, and a Ph.D. in American history from University of Texas at Austin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Roberts_(academic)

So basically, a history professor with 3rd rate qualifications from 4th rate universities.

No experience or knowledge in politics whatsoever.

If this is the garbage that actually sparks off the next US civil war, I will lose my fucking mind at the stupidity of it all.

[–] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago (9 children)

He's the president of the fucking Heritage Foundation. That makes him the head of one of the most influential political organisations in the country.

That's much more important than what his PhD was on.

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[–] Cubes@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

I'm on board with bashing project 2025, but I don't think I'd call those "4th rate universities," at least not UT Austin

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[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 6 months ago (4 children)

What's with the Republicans, don't they like their country and democracy any more?

[–] stembolts@programming.dev 74 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Nope. They found out most folks are cool with the gays, educated people found out the "blacks commit crime" is actually "poor people commit crime", everyone uses thc, we're increasingly done with religion, media is representative of more than white cowboys who can only grunt "I'm manly!", and we are friends with aethiests, hindis, muslims, and jews.

Therefore we are obviously insane and have to die.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 24 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Don't forget Mexicans. Most people are cool with us doing the shit jobs nobody wants, but they don't like the idea of us being here.

[–] stembolts@programming.dev 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It's hard to remember all the people they hate, smh.
'Foreigners' (includes Americans from big cities) would cover it, lol.

Not the 80s band Foreigner tho, I think they're safe.

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[–] Rottcodd@kbin.social 21 points 6 months ago

They never really did.

It was all, always, just about themselves. They claimed to love the country because they just saw it as a rightful extension of themselves, and they claimed to love democracy because they just saw it as the process by which they got what they wanted.

Now that they're faced with the fact that the country necessarily also accommodates other people and that democracy means that other people can get what they want, they have no reason left to pretend that they ever really valued either one.

So they're instead diving headfirst into xenophobic fascism, in the hope that they can recreate a world in which the country exists only for them and the government serves only their interests.

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[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Before the civil war southerners talked shit about northerners as too comfortable and effete to fight. We know how that worked out. All fascists are bound to lose eventually. The question is how much pain and death will they cause before being suppressed.

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Most rural towns would be dead in a month if a civil war happened. All those towns produce is meth, teenage pregnancy, and fibromyalgia disability. When the Dollar General runs out of food they will start killing each other.

I can see a few banjo clans attempting to invade cities and set up roadblocks.

The reality of it all is that rural/conservative America is already involved in a proxy civil war with the rest of america. They are using the Republican politicians as weapons to steal our tax dollars and funnel it into their failed existence while they pretend their gasoline corn is something good for the world.

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[–] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I'm old and out of shape, so I'm not the ideal soldier, but if the conservatives push that shit and there's an organized resistance by sane, compassionate people who care about people, I'd try to do my part with them.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Have you seen the average repub?

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[–] stinerman@midwest.social 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Maybe on the weekends. I work during the week. Depends on if I could get flexible scheduling and HQ had Wi-Fi.

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 18 points 6 months ago

All right Johnson, HR has decided that you can pick one day a week to war from home, but you're only going to get halftime pay for that.

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)

No, I'm gonna sit back and laugh as a bunch of guys who couldn't schedule a meeting at the four seasons try to overthrow the world's oldest democracy.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do not underestimate Trump. The last time people did that he won the damned election.

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[–] weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm honestly getting the fuck while I can if he gets elected.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Get passports for yourself and family now. After the election (if he wins) I'm guessing there's gonna be a huge backlog.

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[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Out ... Getting the fuck out. Mobile keyboard missed a word, but I find it too hilarious to correct 🤣

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Physically? I couldn't do it, not anymore. Too many health conditions.

But anyone bringing trouble to my street or doorstep, is going to have a bad day.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I can only do so much due to disabilities, but I would support all resistance to a fascist Nazi takeover

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago

You can pilot the flamethrowing robo-dogs for us.

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sure. I have a lot of issues with the US but if fascists overthrow the constitutional order every American has a moral obligation to restore the rule of law.

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 6 months ago

I am a veteran of two wars, first priority is getting my kids out somewhere safe. Doubt I would come back after that. Will cheer for you all, but with republicans existing the USA just doesn’t even feel worth fighting for.

Every single person who votes Trump is a traitor. Yeah, you, that random person (not the guy I am replying to) who is reading this and voting Trump. Fuck you, traitor.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 11 points 6 months ago (4 children)
[–] Alto@kbin.social 11 points 6 months ago

This is the most fed post I've ever seen

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don’t openly agree to commit crimes on the internet

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[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It will mean the experiment failed. I'll go back to Europe where my ancestors came from, in the blink of an eye, and watch with popcorn as this place turns into Christian Iran

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[–] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 9 points 6 months ago

hmmm, if I live there, I would probably try to move out.

or go to a state where this shenanigan doesn't get acknowledged. not really sure if state laws were meant like that.

maybe this is project 2025 is a multi-tier attack with one layer in the form of fear mongering?

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago
[–] klemptor@startrek.website 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm a pacifist, so no, I don't think I could live with myself if I took another person's life, unless it were in self-defense. I would nope the fuck outta the country though, and relinquish citizenship.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Would you fight a civil war?

With who? Against... who? Like, do I just go down to the city center and start swinging punches? Or are we saying there's some kind of mobilized resistance movement that's led by... uh... who, exactly?

[–] safesyrup@lemmy.hogru.ch 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)
[–] stembolts@programming.dev 31 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Demographics are trending away from conservatism and since they are almost to the point where they can no longer win elections, they want to install a permanent conservative dictatorship.

This has been a long time coming, I remember hearing on the radio in 2008 that projections showed conservatives couldn't win elections if current trends continued for ~20 years, and they did. In conservative speak they call this the "great replacement theory" but it's standard population math that a freshman math major could perform. They frame in a way to make stupid people think something nefarious is occurring. In reality, conservatives are the shrinking minority that is attempting to cling to power.

Just look back to the last time a conservative won the popular vote. I believe it has been over 20 years. The electoral college can only carry conservatives for so long.

To paraphrase a famous quote, "At some point conservatives will have the choice of abandoning conservatism or abandoning democracy." Which do you think they'll choose?

[–] Icalasari@fedia.io 22 points 6 months ago

Which is why it pisses me off when people go, "Third Party/Not Voting". Other elections, fine. This election? Dems need to win. Period. They need all three branches of government and enough of a margin to prevent getting Manchin'd. Anything less means there will not be a second chance

Destroy the GoP first, THEN focus on smacking around the Dems

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It’s the logical conclusion of the insane unitary executive theory. Basically gives the president power way beyond what the constitution outlines that a sympathetic judiciary (what we’re currently stuck with) could enable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025#:~:text=Project%202025%20%28officially%20the%20Presidential%20Transition%20Project%29%20is,Republican%20victory%20in%20the%202024%20U.S.%20presidential%20election.

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What makes me laugh is the idea that if Trump were declared dictator for life, how long do you think his life would be?

One, the man weighs 280 lb in his 70s. He does not have long left.

Two, the best way to become dictator for life is to be announced dictator for life. This second best way is to kill the current dictator for life and take his seat. How long do you think it will take all of the people that follow Trump for money to realize that putting a bullet in his head would get them more money?

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Joe Biden is too old and senile but this other guy that was a freshman in high school when Joe Biden was a senior is somehow alright

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

I don't think it would be very civil TBH

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Nope. I might buy a shotgun though.

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