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i like that you only have to work 2/4 weekends in a month. That's pretty cool.
How nice and thoughtful of them.
if you have to work all three shifts every three weeks, you can't realistically hold-down a second job or attend regular classes, you're exclusively at the disposal of your masters.
It's usually because they can't get full teams willing to work only the shitty shifts. So they rotate.
When I was in retail management we had a 3-week rotating shift as well, and it was super dumb. We'd end up over 3 weeks opening, closing, or having off each day once, except for Tuesday, which we opened twice (Tuesdays were staff meetings so all managers worked).
But the worst part was each week we'd start with 2 closing shifts and end with 2 opening shifts instead of doing all opens or closes, so each week we'd have a night we'd get out the door around midnight and have to be back to open the doors at 6am...
It's usually because they can't get full teams willing to work only the shitty shifts
...at the rate they want to pay them. In ye olden times the shitty shifts would pay more.
no, it's that they don't give a shit about those and have found a way to make more money, so they believe, no doubt on a paucity of evidence and a big kick of power madness.
How would a rotating schedule make them more money?
This seems more like pure evil to me
I'm gonna go out on a branch and say because everyone has to do it, there is no shift differential paid for swing/nights.
You don't wanna see the schedule of a relative of mine that works as a hospital nurse then.
And she has the good version of the schedule.
You really don't wanna see the schedule of an emergency admission nurse.
Daily changing hours of various schedules switching between early and late with maybe the minimum or 2-3h more of break between shifts...
Wow, that's nuts. At least the manufacturing jobs I see around me are just 4on 4off 12hr shifts, which still sucks IMO, but isn't abusive to employee's mental well being.
I am sad that we live in an age where 4 12 hour shifts in a row is now considered the norm.
Its really only the norm for certain industries. I'm just an IT drone, so I still get my 5 8s, but I've heard some of the factory floor guys say they like it so /shrug.
I wouldn't be opposed to doing 4 10s just to have an extra day off, but support gigs don't generally get that kind of leeway with staffing and coverage issues. But I get to work from home, so I'll take the extra day a week of work.
This worries me 3 ways:
- shifts longer than 8 hours show significant attention span issues
- you didn't specify day or night shifts, the latter of which is massively detrimental because of the circadian rhythm and altering your day vs night
- maybe the job didn't specify, and that's worse
Worst of all would be a 2-2-4 day/night/off schedule, as that combines a too-long shift, a wake-sleep change, and then a too-long shift in darkness.
This kind of job spec, unless they specify it's only mildly damaging, could be the most toxic format of all!
P.s. I can't believe I'm wishing for it to be the minimally-toxic-but-still-fucking-toxic 4x12 daytime slog.
The rotating to an earlier shift is even more insane. Maybe I'm wrong but I imagine almost everyone finds it easier to push through and stay up later than try to go to sleep 7 hours early.
We still got shift differential on swing shift. I did it for 7 years. It maximizes 24/7 coverage with less crews, but it has a side effect of the end users of the schedule developing severe alcohol abuse and depression.
Sat - Friday 8 hours day
Wednesday - Tuesday 8 hours night
Friday - Thursday 8 hours second
The pay period was separated in such a way that you would not get double time even though you are scheduled 7 days in a row every week.
I messed the schedule up so I fixed it. And yes, there was only 1 day off between second shift and day shift rotation.
I work some where that does double shift which is mornings one week and afternoons the next. It's OK but id prefer standard days, I have however done triple shift for a year at one job and it completely messed me up, and to this day I blame it for giving me super high blood pressure I didn't have before I started it. It all comes down to profits, why buy another machine to manufacture whatever it is you do when you could simply run the same machine 24/7. Although it inevitably leads to disaster one machine doing all the work as triple shifts leave little time for maintenance and seeing managers flap about because a machine broke down because you were allowed to shut it down to grease the bearings once a week is hilarious.
Companies now want 24 hour productivity, which means they will abuse their workers to keep that cycle going. Worker healthy is probably not even a thought, just: how do we get more out of them?
It's possible to staff a factory 24/7 without rotating shifts, but much harder unless you offer financial incentives to work nights, i.e. a differential. But of course it's cheaper to just require rotation.
Possibly so they don't have to pay night shift more?
Too many billionaires