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Reddit is so toxic (lemmy.world)

submitted 7 months ago by yemmly@lemmy.world to c/reddit@lemmy.world

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There are a few subreddits I check out from time to time because Lemmy doesn’t have the volume of users required to keep those niche conversations active.

Wow, what a pain! There’s so much hostility and byzantine rules. It’s just not worth it.

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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 86 points 7 months ago (4 children)

That place really went to shit over the past year. Which is hardly surprising seeing how many good people were pushed away from the platform.

Good mods were replaced by power tripping shitheads and good posters and commenters were driven off when they couldn’t use their desired app and the subreddits they liked went to shit or were nuked. Meanwhile, bots are ruining everything else.

And let’s not even get started on the ads, the IPO shenanigans, the AI thing…

Reddit needs to be taken out back and shot. It’s the humane thing to do; we shouldn’t let it suffer like this.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

It was taken out back months ago but didn't die for some reason and exists in this weird zombie state now

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Alternate viewpoint: Whatever was good about reddit died long ago anyway. Whatever’s left is just a useless cash-grab cesspool. I’m perfectly fine with letting it simultaneously decay and cannibalize itself. Watching it play out is funny.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

The problem is that nothing left alive still will ever die now. They have too many visitors, and too much money, and it's damned near impossible to spin up alternatives without State level funding now. None of the average internet users give a fuck about quality, nor are they willing to visit a site that doesn't already have a fully established community. Since you can't establish a community without users, and you can't get users when you don't have users, it's a done deal. The internet is like 5 sites now, and those sites can't fuck up enough to drive a critical mass of people away. I mean look at what Facebook has become. It's completely fucking worthless as a social media site now, full of 98% sponsored bullshit, yet they still have 3 billion visitors per day. The good Internet is dead. The corpos stole it & killed it. We will never get it back.

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 6 points 7 months ago

Instead, Huffman will eat it from the inside out like a parasite devouring its prey.

And people will praise him for being such a "success" (at business), and will be outright shocked, Shocked I tell you, SHOCKED that the Reddit experience does not improve as he promised it would.

But hopefully some of us at least will choose to learn from the clusterfuck that was Rexit.

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[–] airrow@hilariouschaos.com 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

also too much: [deleted] [removed]

[–] GregorTacTac@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What's the difference between those two?

[–] ccreamsonn@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Guessing [deleted] by the poster, [removed] by mods

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There’s also the newer [ Removed by Reddit ] which means their admin mod team.

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[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 26 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I recently finished season 2 of One-Punch Man and I looked to see if there were any announcements about a season 3. I came across a reddit thread about season 3 being announced and holy shit are people nuts. The animation of OPM season 2 wasn't as good as season 1, but it wasn't actually bad; it just wasn't as good as season 1. However, the reddit thread would make you think it was animated by preschoolers.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

To be frank, that's not a trait exclusive to Reddit - it's a common characteristic of many (most) online fan communities.

My pet theory is that it's a result of the community members spending excessive amounts of time analyzing the minutia of their interest. From there, a combination of nostalgia and the tendency of people to focus on flaws creates a perfect environment for negativity to flourish.

Personally, I've tried to do my part to push back against that trend in the spaces I favor, but it's not easy.

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[–] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago

This comment is so refreshing to see. I thought I was going crazy for enjoying season 2 and thinking that the animation wasn’t bad.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Season 2 started really poorly but it got better during the season

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[–] Ignacio@kbin.social 24 points 7 months ago (3 children)

There’s so much hostility

Same here, to be honest. Except for Beehaw, every other place seems like a no-mod/no-remember-the-human land.

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 27 points 7 months ago (21 children)

Fwiw, my own experience changed dramatically after I blocked lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net. Some people also block lemmy.ml but I like the memes so I do not go that far - yet when people do come back with the most inane shit replies, it is >90% from there.

The Fediverse does require curation to be halfway usable, but the fact that nice places exist here at all makes it very different from Reddit imho. That takes effort to maintain, and while mods may not always be perfect, consider the kind of person that would remain as a mod on Reddit after the protests... overworked, entirely unappreciated, and having to deal with the most childish people. When old-reddit gets further shut down (as it seems to have started to people say, e.g. when accessed via a VPN) it will degrade even further. The scabs will run the show, even more so than now. Just like happened with X.

Ofc, do as you please, but I hope this perspective helps:-).

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Your first paragraph is spot on for me. I also haven't blocked lemmy.ml yet, but I'm this fucking close man. Personally, I hope that lemmy grows, grows more diverse, and the politically toxic side of lemmy gets diluted a bit.

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 9 points 7 months ago

It is what it is. The original founding developer is a tankie, and offered everything he did entirely for free. Meanwhile after Reddit began to collapse there were several projects - like squabbles and discuit - who offered to let people come onto their instance but refused to offer their code as open source, presumably with the intention of using the standard approach to first disrupt the market and then later make a bunch of money (also used to lure in fish, set out the bait and then reel it in).

The closest one to Lemmy was Kbin, but that has its own whole entire set of drama, being open source but not sharing the development process with anyone else and then the singular founding developer being extremely slow to add new features or take things further or even maintain the existing instance in the meantime (there is the Mbin fork, but if Lemmy is early beta or late alpha stage software, Kbin/Mbin is still early alpha, plus Kbin repeatedly goes down for days to a week at a time).

Meanwhile, most people who just enjoy being "taken care of" by daddy spez remained on Reddit, which from a technical perspective (of like server uptime and whatnot) does objectively offer a better experience. At least until old-reddit is killed off, though in the meantime they seem to allow it due to their increasingly dire need for content creators.

So anyway I am saying that politics is very much entertwined with the entire existence of this place. People chasing profits have other Reddit alternatives that they turned to, so we are the odd ones who enjoy "sharing" (i.e. in the socialist sense) and are willing to put up with the significantly higher technical barrier to entry and greater share of problems, in order to preserve our freedoms and help set something up that has a hope of lasting in the future, as corporations enshittify themselves all around us.

But yeah, I want to ditch the toxicity side of it as well:-). Except I cannot change others, only myself, hence why I just block those and move on with my life, and let them do the same.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 7 months ago

I dunno, seems fairly chill to me. Maybe we subscribe to very different channels.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The list of people, communities, and instances I have blocked on Lemmy is like 20x longer than what I had blocked on Reddit. And every day new accounts and communities pop up that get added to the list. At this point the only reason I don't go back to Reddit is out of principle. Because Lemmy, for as good of an idea as it is, is like a cesspool for people who believe politics/social politics is a personality trait. And Reddit was becoming that way too, but maybe its different now considering Lemmy is like a sponge for those kind of folk.

[–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Lol, caring for society is definitely a personality trait. Not caring for it is literally a trait of sociopathy.

[–] willya@lemmyf.uk 13 points 7 months ago (4 children)

You’ve been here 9 months and haven’t witnessed it here?

[–] Blaze@dormi.zone 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, it's another level on Reddit compared to here

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[–] yemmly@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’m not talking about users who make crazy comments. I’m talking about how I made a legitimate, on-topic, non-controversial post in good faith and it got removed with no explanation. Then when I followed the sub’s instructions about how to ask why my post disappeared, the mod replied with a bunch of passive aggressive snarky shit and muted me.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

On the topic of byzantine rules, I'd found out at sometime last year that a major subreddit had banned linking other subreddits...

In the 6 years I was there I thought that's what Reddit was all about, but what do I know?

The Fediverse is perfectly set up for linking people to new communities they might not have come across on their own.

Trying to figure out which rule I broke on Reddit and when it was implemented from moderators was a pain. In contrast, Lemmy mods have messaged me when they want me to edit my comment to conform better to the rules which was great. Lemmy public modlogs are also a huge improvement since while it can't stop tyrant mods/admins, it makes knowing how you crossed them much clearer for people.

[–] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

FWIW subreddits that had that rule generally had it to prevent brigading

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[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Consider for a moment where you live. Now consider how we live.

People are crushed all day at both their jobs. They have their livelihoods stolen away from them to increase the profits of mega sized corporations and the 1%ers that control them.

The bi partisan police state is stronger then ever despite the George floydd protests (this is the 1% telling us the protests didn't go far enough by the way)

There is little representation to be had at the voting booth. You would think the conservatives would be happy since they can choose between two right wing parties, but even they want their shitty version of change.

This isn't a great way to live our lives for the majority of the population. Deep down, most people understand how broken and toxic living like this is, and it gets expresses itself through this toxic behavior. Not that this is any excuse for said behavior.

However, if you live in the shitter multiverse, don't be surprised shitty people are shitty after getting treated like shit by other shitters while living a exploitative shitty way of life. Shit.

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[–] desentizised@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago

tbh I've had almost exclusively hostile(-ish) exchanges on lemmy as well, but obviously going back to that morally bankrupt place isn't gonna be the answer.

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tell us more

[–] yemmly@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Genuine interest or just spezzing?

[–] Kalladblog@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I want to know

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[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Depending on the community, a lot of the hostility could be from Russian/Chinese/N.Korean bots

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Question: can someone help me properly calibrate my Ender 3 Pro printer?

Answer: Your printer isn't calibrated properly from the factory because capitalism bad and America bad.

We get a lot of the same shit here on Lemmy.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

You know it's bad when even a user named anticorp is complaining about it.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

"Joebama made too many regulations, so you can't properly calibrate your printer." 🤣

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[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Like look at this shit. They're all throwing a fit because the poor guy said to not be so hard on the dog's owner, you'd think it was their kid that died not his. https://www.reddit.com/r/Edmonton/comments/1bymgws/father_of_boy_killed_by_dogs_says_media_attention/

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