Completely foreseeable response to a greedy mtx cashgrab on a single-player game.
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If I was into modding, I'd do this too.
Single player games should not have micro transactions for power ups. Period.
This is my philosophy with things. If something can be bought with real money in a single player game I've already paid for, I have no problems using mods or cheats to get the same things.
I got Breath of the Wild on release and I paid for the DLC years later. Gotta say I'm happy with it. There is a correct way to experience Hyrule, and it's on a motorcycle. No notes.
And I'd say they are even worse in multiplayer games. MTX that affect how the game is played is just paying someone to make it easier for you to win, which is pathetic whether it's a single player or multiplayer game.
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JESUS CHRIST at the amount of suckers talking about MTX being okay in this game because "yOu CaN eArN tHe ItEmS iNgAmE" are missing the point!
Good lord, what happened to being in an uproar about horse armor DLC? I miss those days!
If you add 20+ items of "DLC" into a singleplayer game THE FIRST DAY, you deserve for your company to go belly up. Full stop.
I'm not against the idea of MTX, I think there's a place for them. For instance I don't mind if a game sells deluxe edition upgrade as a MTX because that's ultimately pro-consumer. Without that option you're either going to have to bite the bullet and hope you enjoy the game or pay extra to get the same game twice if you do enjoy it enough. I know I used that option with BG3.
That said, selling in game resources as MTX is fucking stupid. It's just fundamentally incompatible with good games. If the resources are abundant there's no reason to sell them as MTX. If they're scarce then they're either deliberately scarce for the purpose of selling the MTX which is just scummy, or they're scarce for some other reason (like if you don't want to make fast traveling everywhere easily accessible) then selling that resource as MTX just undermines the purpose of the scarcity.
deluxe edition as a MTX
I spent a few minutes analyzing this sentence alone. Admittedly I read the rest of your argument and respect your opinion. It’s just that this is stuck in my head.
Buying the deluxe edition through a micro-transaction? My mind wants to classify this as an oxymoron. Admittedly a lot of microtransactions aren’t really micro by any stretch of the imagination but this just stands out.
Pretty sure he means a deluxe edition upgrade as a mtx.
Where some games allow you to get the base game, try it out and upgrade if you want. Rather than diving in at the deep end and not knowing if you'll enjoy the game.
Oh 100% that’s what they meant. It’s just something that caught my attention as it almost appears to be an oxymoron.
In practice, “microtransaction” can mean many things. A small price, a purchase of non-unique content, or even a small quantity of unique (non-base) content. So yes, upgrading to the “deluxe” edition can fall under that description. But calling the “deluxe” content upgrade a “micro-transaction” almost appears contradictory. So I had a little chuckle while pondering this before becoming upset at how broad (and expensive) said “micro”transactions have become.
You're right that it is weird. It's because we use MTX and DLC almost synonymously and that's because there's a lot of overlap. They're overloads terms and we need a better vocabulary to talk about the specifics. For instance I think if Dragons dogma didn't sell resources and sold only the deluxe edition parts then there wouldn't be that big of an outrage about MTX. The outrage is about the in game resources being sold, but it's hard to present it that way when the only word we have for it is MTX, which also contains the part that is not the issue.
On Steam you can usually pay the difference to upgrade to a deluxe/ultimate edition
i wonder when denuvo starts claiming these mods are "cheats"
“Mods are cheating” has been a claim made by certain publishers for a while now.
And your favorite pirate site negates the need to give capcom any money.
has Dragon's Dogma 2 already been cracked?
denuvo :(
EMPRESS too busy Shizo posting to crack it just yet?
I heard she's in jail.
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I could get the game for free, the mtx for free, and could want to play it, and would still never do it, because of how stupid this is. Sorry studio artists, your work is forever tainted for the choices of your owners. It will never shine through their dense immoral greed of your masters.
You're just denying yourself a really fun experience. The game is actually really good especially if you're able to download it without paying if the whole morality thing is what's stopping you. If it's available I'd get it.
I won't stand for it, it's just not worth it. There's other fun games that don't associate with mafia scum. I dislike how they steal money and consecutively contribute negatively to humanity
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There are lots of good games out there from moral companies. He doesn't need to play this one.
I won’t be paying for this game on principle. I might not even play it.
I might know why Capcom tried to start a war on mods a month or so ago...
I still want to play DG2, but I can afford to wait until it costs a value I think it's worth. It's not like there's a shortage of games to play or anything.
No, this has always been Capcom's mode of operation. Unnecessary micro transactions were in the first DD 12 years ago. Look at their other games as well, bullshit tokens to change the appearance of your character in Monster Hunter Rise, etc pp.
If the community fixed the game, I want a discount.
Get the five finger/seven seas discount
There's is no need for the microtransactions in the first place.
They don't help you at all other than the first dozen hours, and the way they would help you will ruin your game curve.
The game isn't designed around you having a portcrystal day one.
Edit: The game is a power fantasy. The whole point is you start out weak as shit where three goblins own you and you grow to the point you are using a half dozen weapons you've become a master in to kill dragons in seconds.
Buying more power at the beginning of that curve ruins the entire point of the game. This was CAPCOM execs saying "you need to put microtransactions in the game" and then the devs going "ok, how about this piece of junk over here players will have stacks of by endgame that could be a microtransaction." And then the CAPCOM exec signing off who didn't even play the game going "great, this will make shareholders happy."
The only thing that's useful is the portcrystal, and you will max out the number you can even use in a NG+ playthrough.
TLDR: Don't buy the mtx and don't use the mods either. These aren't supposed to be part of your power curve in the game and were an afterthought that ruins the design if used.
were an afterthought that ruins the design if used
So a terrible idea then?
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There was never any need. All the micro transactions were just time skips for the dumb. The systems are the same dragons dogma systems they had in the first one. They didn't artificially change things to be grinder. They just put in paid for cheats.
If you want to use them, that's fine, and certainly, this over paying for it. But people framing this as a need is bad. Which is expected of eurogamers headlines the past few years.
Nobody has ever claimed you need them to finish the game.
The frequently spoken rule of thumb for micro-transactions being "not a big deal" is that they should be cosmetic only if the base game isn't free.
This game's micro-transactions are gameplay modifying items and in-game currency packs. That's a violation of the rule of thumb, so lots of us are saying it's a big deal.
I don't want this normalized. Because if it becomes the norm then full pay to win is much easier to normalize.
But even without that fear, it's absolutely just gross on its own.
They deserve all of the negative reviews and press they're getting for it.
MTX are bad in general but these MTX look identical to what they've put into recent games like RE4 Remake and DMC5. Mechanically it is all items such as Red Orbs in DMC5.
I wasn't even aware that there were MTX in DMC when I was playing it. Have they made the option more prominent in this game? Or is there just more outrage about this game because it has had a rocky launch and gamers smell weakness?
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imo, even cosmetic micro-transaction stuff is disgusting. In single player its absolutely intolerable and in multiplayer its at the edge. Not only it makes creating almost non-existent content more profitable, likely at the expense of worthwhile content because any development costs money. Why make the game better when you can create more cosmetics. I'm not saying creating cosmetics is trivial, but making new skin vs creating actually new content are on completely different scales, especially when those new skins are sometimes just recolouring old ones.
Not having access to cosmetic stuff without paying extra also often detracts from the game for me. As example, in game v-rising there are some cosmetics packs for different skins for your castle's furniture. While you can furnish the place decently with stuff you get, you can be much more creative if you have access to the alternative skins.
If they were all part of some larger expansion pack with something more than just skins, I could accept it but if i have to buy every theme pack separately, I'm not going to do that. I would have much less money available if i had to buy every damn dlc to every game I play. I'd say building and decorating your castle is 50% of the game, less if you don't care about how your castle looks at all. Not buying these dlc make the game less enjoyable for me.
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if we just comply and accept all this shit, next step will be ramping up the things that make people want to buy these stupid microtransactions. In context of dragons dogma examples could be making rift crystal gain so awful you have to grind for them, making class changes cost rift crystals, making more items that you can only get with real money.
And most of all, this is SINGLE PLAYER, if someone isnt disgusted by these kinds of microtransactions in this game on principle, I dont even know anymore what to say.
But as silverlining for all this shit, at least greedy executives will see making games more challenging as profitable thing to do. Though unfortunately it will likely also mean challenge will come from having to do a lot of unfun stuff to get anywhere vs pay money so you dont have to because people who make these decisions only care about money and people will give it to them and defend them for it no matter what.
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I just finished the "normal" ending a few hours ago. I fast travelled like, 4-5 times? placed down two portcrystals, never used?
I admittedly kinda sped through just to get an idea of the game, and plan to restart hopefully after a PC upgrade and some performance patches, but fast travel really is just not something you really need. The main quest is pretty clever about providing easy ways to keep you moving along, and most quests are pretty localized into an area.
The first game had the same micro transactions too. It's hilarious to me how everyone seems to have forgotten this.
I think a lot of people played Dark Arisen which came with everything packaged.
I think the biggest misconception is that there is some mtx shop where you can buy game items. The steam store page for the game has some items in the dlc section that were available in the deluxe edition. 5 wakestones, 1 port stone, etc. It isn’t an unlimited amount to purchase. It’s essentially “did you decide not to buy the deluxe edition but regret it now for some reason? well here are the items included in the deluxe edition that you didn’t get.” There’s no buy all the fast travel i want scenario. It’s maddening to keep seeing this line because it’s clear to anyone who’s actually played the game.
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