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Google search failed to even find a hollywood movie, even after 1 hour of attempts. I don't really care about the movie, but I am terrified by the prospect that google now ceased to function on this basic level. Why is this happening?

I understand the explanations of seo and other stuff like spam content. But why are there NO relevant results at all.

I wouldn't mind having to start wading through results at page 2 or even 10 but now it utterly fails to find even the most basic things.

Things you found on the first attempt even just a year ago. Now they are effectively hidden.

To me functionally the entire internet has now vanished. I cannot access anything that I am searching for. Might as well not exist at all.

Has anybody found a way around this?

Is this on purpose? Is this an attack on the free internet, herding people to just the top 5 sites like facebook, youtube, tiktok, and so forth?

Are there search engines that still work?

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[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've been using SearXNG over Duckduckgo lately. It's a free (as in freedom) aggregator that searches all the engines. It's not perfect but you know 100% you are not being tracked.

The results are closer to a true old school search of the web. Sometimes it works better, sometimes not as well. It's best to pick a local instance that has quicker speeds since the main site can be a bit slower than local ones.

This distributed web stuff is really taking off. I like it!

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

After hearing it for a decade plus I still don’t know what “free as in freedom/free is in beer” actually means

[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Free beer, like you get a free beer at a party or event, it's no cost. Free software that costs nothing but is closed source.

Free as in freedom means the user has full access to the source code and is not subject to unknown code like in proprietary software.

Freedom as RMS sees it: https://lemmy.world/post/8134208

[–] Welt@lazysoci.al 1 points 10 months ago

The phrase is "free as in SPEECH/beer", because it doesn't make sense to say "freedom" - especially since that has all sorts of other connotations, especially in the USA. Everyone should be able to understand that free speech doesn't mean a speech that you listen to at no cost to yourself. It means the ability to express yourself without censure. And beer... everyone understands that, and who doesn't love free beer?

[–] wheels@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I always get confused by this analogy because my mind goes to beer representing open source (the ingredients aren't secret, and you can brew it yourself if you want to). "Free Coca-cola" would work better, like you're not paying for it right now but only one company knows how to make it.

[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 1 points 10 months ago

Free as in freedom means it doesn't infringe on privacy (or any other rights) and free as in beer means no financial cost.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's open source. The line comes from the early days when people were still arguing over definitions and free vs. open source and GPL vs. BSD, when the concept was new enough to the general public so that they would confuse "free software" for "freeware": Closed-source software that doesn't cost any money. By now all that has died down (unless you're the FSF) and the acronym "FLOSS" was invented, which sidesteps the double meaning of "free" by adding on "libre". Really they should've gone for GLOSS: Gratis, libre, open, source software. If you have a choice in marketing between shiny and dentist, always go for shiny.

(And for the nitpickers yes searxng is AGPL which makes it libre, not just open).

Oh, and speaking of, haven't looked at it in a long while, there's yacy, a peer to peer search engine.