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[–] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 66 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Edit: Note that this article is over 8 years old.

I had to look it up, but In 2021 the top 10% were earning about $120K/year.

Also, the guardian misrepresented the study in their title. The study is about "lifestyle emissions" The top 10% don't produce 50% of all global emissions.

[–] flames5123@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Exactly. Why don’t we separate this even further? Top 1% or top 0.5% or top 0.1%? That salary is almost required from a couple living in a city (60k/person, but one person is most likely making a large chunk of it), but people living in cities have way less of a carbon footprint by living closer to the grocery store, taking public transit, shopping locally, doing recycling/compost, community gardens, walking, etc.

I traveled twice as much in my car when I lived in Mississippi but made under 1/2 what I do now in Washington. I’m way more eco conscious now too.

[–] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

It's just barely above the low-income cutoff in some SF Bay counties.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The MSM don't split it like that for the same reason they dilute wealth inequality. Because if the masses ever put 2 and 2 together, to realize that wealth inequality and the pursuit of profit is a corrosive force in society, and an existential threat to life, liberty, democracy, the rule of law, etc, etc — the root cause of many of the largest issues facing humanity — the ultra wealthy might be forced to give up their wealth... including the owners of MSM orgs.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 9 points 11 months ago

You can find the updated report here:

https://www.oxfam.org/en/research/confronting-carbon-inequality

According to that about half of the top 10% lived in the US and EU in 2015. With especially China, but also countries like India having seen massive economic growth that share likely went down a lot. Looking at the Guardian article that is interesting as they position that as a rich country vs poor country problem, which is not entirely true.

[–] iraq_lobster@slrpnk.net 3 points 11 months ago

$1 in 2015 is worth $1.30 today(2023), thus a 30% inflation from 2015 to 2023 ; 1/1.30= 0.76 ; 0.76*10= 7.6 ; thus 7.6% produce 50% of all global emissions. i know its bikini-bottom math but it does help to extrapolate things sometimes ..

[–] StarsWebWine@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

That top 10 percent figure is for USA. This is talking about world wide, so likely the top 10 percent is for a lot of people in the USA, and other western countries....There are a lot of people in 3rd world countries that don't contribute any emissions compared to the average low income person in a western country.