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Please stop trying to split up the left. We need to come together more than ever to defeat fascism.
Liberals aren't left. They stab leftists in the back every chance they get. Someone who will stab you in the back at their first opportunity makes a bad ally.
And they fall back to "you're the problem for dividing the left" when someone validly criticizes them or points out they're not the left.
Liberals aren't left, they support capitalism. The left begins at socialism, liberals cannot meaningfully fight fascism because the origin of fascism is capitalist decay.
"The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox." - Malcom X
“I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice” - MLK Jr
liberals have far more in common with the fascists they donate to than with the leftists who fought for and won all the things listed in that godawful picture you decided to share here
So it's fair to say that the Democrats won't sue to keep other leftist parties off the ballot? They'll back leftist candidates even when it's not their "chosen" candidate? They'll actually oppose fascism rather than continue to pave the way for the facists? That they won't keep pushing more funding to facist policies and systems, and will actually dismantle the facists' tools?
Because I continuously see them do the opposite of those things.
Haven't you heard? Shitting on liberals and not voting is all you need to do to defeat fascism. It's literally the most important thing.
It's too bad the Weimar Republic didn't think of that. I feel like if only the German Communists had been spending all their energy shitting on the center, they might have had a pretty good chance of stopping Hitler from coming to power. Well, at least now we have the chance to try again, with the benefit of hindsight, and make sure we do that known successful strategy...
The KPD was being murdered by the Nazis with the aid of the SPD. The KPD was correct, liberals will side with fascists over leftists when push comes to shove.
I feel like we had this conversation before at some point lol... I will summarize my point of view on it and then probably dip from it:
And then much later:
That is my summary. I realize you may have a different one but I don't think I really want to get in an extended argument about it today. But yes, Germany in the 30s is a relevant example on this topic, I absolutely think.
(Oh, also, the KPD was being murdered by the Nazis with the aid of Stalin. The KPD was coordinating with Stalin, and he was selling them out because of course he was. I have absolutely no idea where you got this idea that the SPD was involved in what Hitler was doing to his opposition.)
No, this is ridiculous. The KPD correctly warned of the rising threat of fascism, and correctly pointed out the need for revolution. The SPD pushed for Hindenburg, got him elected over Thallman, then Hindenburg gave the seat to Hitler. The SPD murdered KPD members, such as in the "bloody may" incident. Stalin did not "sell out" KPD members and work with Hitler, the negotiations to get Thallman out of prison fell through.
https://www.wsws.org/en/special/library/foundations-ger/10.html
I won't say I agree with 100% of the analysis on that page but a lot of that last part of analysis seems completely spot-on to me. And, of course, how Trotsky predicted is exactly how it played out.
Trotsky was a wrecker through and through in his later years. Any claims of wanting "unity" are laughable when contrasted with his own anti-unity wrecker behavior within the soviet union. Trotksy himself was no "Marxist genius," he believed the proletariat should attack the peasantry and hoped the developed countries would rebel and save the Russian proletariat from backlash. Social Democracy had sided with the fascists against the communists, and insodoing ruined Germany.
What Trotksy wanted happened: The SPD got what they wanted, and Hindenburg gave the seat to Hitler. Trotksy was wrong, just like the SPD was.
"The party cannot fail, it can only be failed."
Anyway, like I said I don't plan to have an extensive debate. I'll leave you with this:
https://jacobin.com/2021/08/hitler-stalin-pact-nazis-communist-deportation-soviet
Edit: Fun fact, I've actually visited Trotsky's house in exile in Mexico City.
The Bolsheviks made several mistakes, but exiling Trotsky was not one of them.