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UN delegates hold mass walkout as Netanyahu insists Israel must ‘finish job’ in Gaza
(www.independent.co.uk)
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i'm going to say something that i'm sure people are going to hate and i may be banned for saying it. buts its just an opinion based on decades and decades of history...
If Israel doesn't finish this now, it is just going to happen again. Its painful to watch, but its the truth. Netanyahu is an ass, but he's right. A two state solution is a fantasy pipe dream that will never ever work.
Ah, yes, because there's only two options: a two state solution or the complete extermination of the entire Palestinian population. Is it really so difficult to imagine one state with equal rights for all? It's not going to be easy getting there after all that's taken place, but it is the only path to justice.
Its not that difficult. In fact that state already exists.
Implying Israel has equal right for Palestinians, anywhere in its territory, is so comically out of touch we can only interpret it as bait.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset
This is great proof of your inability to count lol
proof of your inability to read.
palestine is part of israel. if israel were a democracy, palestine wouldn't be the prison that it is
israel is more of a democracy at this point than the united states.
there is nothing like gaza in the united states
It was arbitrarily drawn on a map by people from a country half a globe away, fuck off with that manifest destiny bullshit
where did i mention manifest destiny?
By that logic, Hitler/Nazis should have finished the job too so there would be world peace. If millenia of history and the present is anything to go by, nations keep going to war with each other, so coexistence will never work in the long term.
Were the jews violently attacking the germans prior to the holocaust?
You can't act like Israel was just peacefully minding its own business when Hamas attacked. Israel was founded by ethnic cleansing and had been slowly trying to finish the job for decades by forcing Palestinians into smaller and smaller areas, taking control of their utilities and resources, and depriving them of their rights. Oct. 7th gave Israel an excuse to escalate what they had already been doing.
I love how you guys try to push this dishonest argument that everything started in 1948. It did not. Things happened before that. There was violence on both sides, with full blown pogroms breaking out in 1920, 1921, and 1929. Arabs were offered a much bigger chunk of the region, they refused it because they wanted all of the land which would have meant the eradication of the jews in the region, much as has occurred elsewhere throughout the middle east. The Jews fought back with Israel and people like you just don't seem to like it.
I'm so tired of getting in this repeated argument about this very same thing with people like you who just refuse to acknowledge history before 1948. The history matters, no matter how much you want to try to ignore it.
Jews and arabs have always lived in the region. The notion that an ethnostate is necessary because it's the only way for them to be safe is a propaganda myth and also inherently illogical.
what the hell are you talking about? look at the jewish populations in nearly every single country in the middle east compared to what they were at the beginning of the 20th century.
I will block anyone who tries to be this disingenuous with their statements. You aren't worth my time.
"Jews and Muslims can't coexist and it's all the Muslims' fault, that's why we have to force Muslims off their land and establish a Jewish ethnostate. We have a right to it anyway because god gave it to us or whatever. How dare they fight back!"
This is your argument, and we are the ones being disingenuous?
The comparison I'm making is to Nazi Germany's war for global domination. So yes, there was Jewish armed resistance in occupied Europe. Now, I don't condone Hamas's massacre of civilians and hostage taking. I do believe Palestinians have a right to armed resistance in the face of Israel's control over Palestinian sovereignty and the continued extreme injustices they've been inflicting on Palestinians collectively.
I was pointing to a distinction in the logic of "rightness". If you ignore morality, then yes, eradicating a population will effectively stop groups within it from continuing to attack you in the future. However, with morality, genocide is wrong. It's the same reason why wiping Israel off the map would finish things and end the IDF's war crimes. However, it would still be morally wrong.
This is a very poor comparison. I think you already know that though.
Well, my friend, I'm glad you're not disputing the point, despite the poor comparison. I wish you peace and love :)
which is more than they hope for children in palestine
A two state solution will not work, correct. That is why the world must come together and kick the genocidal Israelis out of the Palestinians land.
But that would cause the dame problem but in reverse. What do you do with all the Israelis who were born and raised there?
I am not defending Isreal. It's just the reality of the situation. I hate what Isreal is doing. But it feels like people forget that hamas is just as horrible.
I don't know why people like you can't seem to comprehend the idea that the Israelis have been living in the region for thousands of years. Yes a lot of Israelis returned to Israel in 20th century, but it is their ancestral homeland (Jews were expelled from the region -- you are aware that they were subject to forced expulsion, aren't you?), and the fact of the matter is european migration to the area goes back to the 1500s. Those migrants didn't steal their land and they didn't just come uninvited.
And both sides have acted in a genocidal manner toward the other at this point. Many people would argue that Israel has even restrained itself. If you want to sit there and act as if Gazans wouldn't kill every single jew in Israel given the opportunity you can go ahead and delude yourself, but they have already stated that they would and the rest of the middle east serves as extremely good evidence of the violently homogenized culture of the region.
You cannot just pick and choose the parts of history which serve your purpose.
My ancestral homeland is your house. I have paperwork to prove it. Please make the unit ready for resettlement ASAP or I'll be forced to starve children. I know it's a tough job but someone has to do it because that's what my 20 minutes of skimming Wikipedia taught me.
I know we don't like reddit here, but this post contains just a smidgin of my potential rebuttal.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/azhzx1/around_the_turn_of_the_16th_century_thousands_of/
Don't be dense. There are no historical land ties that can justify this genocide.
im not using these land ties to justify genocide, only to show that your point, while i know its sarcastic, doesn't really hold much weight. Jews were literally invited to the region by the ottomans.
Israelis and Palastinians are both descendants of the Canaanites that lived in the area back during the Bronze Age. None of that matters.
i am aware. its too bad other people here aren't -- or just, seemingly, refuse to acknowledge it.
Israel has militarily attacked 6 different countries in the last few weeks. So what exactly is the scope of what they supposed to finish?
Fascists do not stop at any point because they cannot. Their power is predicated on eternal war. Not even achieving their insane plan for a "greater Israel" would be enough. The radicalisation based on fear and supremacy does not end when an arbitrary goal is achieved. They absolutely must be stopped.
I don't agree with you on your point about finishing the job.
How is Israel fascist?