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An emotional Jimmy Kimmel returned to his late-night stage on Tuesday and spoke out for the first time about his six-day suspension from ABC.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 50 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

"I have many friends and family members on the other side who I love and remain close to, even though we don't agree on politics at all. I don't think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone. This was a sick person who believed violence was a solution, and it isn't, ever."

I don't know how you could stay close with maga people now. That sounds extremely difficult.

Not a fan of "sick" used in this context. I don't think there was any evidence that the alleged shooter suffered mental illness. Writing off disagreeable actions as sickness maligns people with actual illness.

Also, "ever" is a pretty broad claim. I don't think violence is typically the best solution, and arguably there were more tools left in the box to stop Kirk, but ultimately every right has to be backed by "or I'll stop you" or it's at risk. If masked men come to abduct you, violence is likely an appropriate response. Shooting a giant talking head, arguably not justified even if he's fanning the flames of hate and stochastic terrorism.

But overall it wasn't a boot licking capitulation, so that's nice. I didn't watch it live since I rarely watch TV.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

There is a point when violence is a potentially valid response, but the bar for that is very high.

For example, assassinating a general who has and will continue to slaughter innocent civilians. Even then, the consequences have to be considered - do you stop the murders, or martyr him and make things worse, or does the next guy just continue?

Kirk spoke vile values, but did not deserve death. The answer to all the kirks out there is to sharpen your arguments and learn how to deny him control of the narrative. He's been embarrassed before, but the powerful backers make it difficult for those losses to be widely seen.

The Democratic party needs political warriors who do the research and have the oratory skills to directly destroy bullshit. They need to take multiple seminars from Jasmine Crockett, Bernie Sanders, and AOC.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The answer to all the kirks out there is to sharpen your arguments and learn how to deny him control of the narrative.

I don't think this is the complete solution, because of the consolidation of power in the hands of the wealthy. You could have the best arguments in the world, but if YouTube promotes your opponent instead of you, that's an uphill battle. If they get millions in funding for advertising, staff, and research, and you don't, that's not a fight won merely by sharpness of wit.

People talk about the marketplace of ideas as if solely the better idea will win. Stuff wins in marketplaces for dubious reasons like funding and familiarity rather than merit all the time.

That's not to say we should just shoot all the republicans. Rather, this is a conflict on many fronts, and "they have almost all the money and thus control" is a big tactical concern. I don't know how to fix that.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

yeah I mean look at the Clinton Impeachment, the Drudge Report, that guy who shot a BLM protestor... conservative pockets are deep.

The solution is to regulate all news outfits to enforced neutrality and a clear separate of fact and opinion which can't be reported adjacently.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The solution is to regulate all news outfits to enforced neutrality and a clear separate of fact and opinion which can’t be reported adjacently.

We already had that: the Fairness Doctrine. Guess who repealed it?

That's right, it was Reagan!

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Shitty actors playing president have done arguably more damage to the country than all the rest of them combined, and there have only been two of them.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

I feel you are absolutely right. I also feel that we need to be able to look in the mirror and honestly know we are better than the beliefs we disavow.

Hypocracy is not a good look. We all know the "right" regularly celebrates the harm to "libtards".

Our values say that is wrong. If we turn around and do the exact same thing to them, we betray those values and show we're no better than them.

[–] TBi@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I’m assuming (hoping)he means regular conservative people, not MAGA types. You can be conservative and not support Trump.