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1200€???
ok.... i guess privacy is only for the rich
edit: privacy via this phone model is only for the rich. you nitpickers happy now?
/e/os can be installed on devices that can be purchased on the secondhand market for under $100. This is the opposite of "privacy only for the rich".
The cost of the device is not being subsidized by all of the bloatware installation income, selling of personal info, etc. I think a lot of people don't realize that inflation really shot through the roof on the last decade and it's only because products are subsidized by the sale of your data and other unethical practices that product prices didn't go up. Food uses shrink-flation to hide inflation, tech uses selling your personal info.
Fairphone doesn't have any bloatware either (besides base google apps), yet their phones aren't priced 1k+
But the specs aren't comparable. The Murena phone is a higher-end device than the Fairphone. And the Fairphone does get incentives/subsidies for the Android version which is one of a few reasons the Android version is cheaper than the version sold with /e/OS.
The /e/OS version of Fairphone 6 is still almost 50% cheaper, while providing slightly higher IP rating, 3 years longer warranty, schematics for board repair and a guarantee of 8 years of software updates. In addition to that, the phone is built ethically.
Murena phone has a faster GPU (2x) and up to 36% faster CPU, but only 2 years of warranty and 5 years of spare parts. Fairphone still has spare displays on sale for Fairphone 2, which came out a decade ago.
Hiroh phone also has a "sustainability" field in the specs, which is nice and empty
I'm just talking pure cost to manufacture for each. The cost of the hardware is higher: faster CPU, faster GPU, additional RAM, additional storage, higher end cameras, etc. That is where the cost of the phone comes from, so you can't compare cost of a Fair Phone to this one any more than you can compare the cost of a Pixel 9 to the Pixel 9a. Both have basically the same software, warranty, parts availability, etc., but the 9a was about half the price of the 9 because the "a" series is a lower-end phone overall.
yeah, no doubt, it's not being subsidized.
low income privacy supporters don't want it subsidized either.
at the same time, they are in fact excluded from this model of phone.
in the universe of possibilities, it's possible to have an affordable phone with privacy intact that serves more communities, at some time in the past or future.
but not from murena, not right now.
tl;dr no duh.
To be fair making a phone is likely not a cheap endeavor
More to the point. Making a cheap phone is not an affordable endeavour.
Linux phone makers such as pine have discovered this in the past. As your first products are going to be low demand. Running a business on the profit margins of lower priced phones becomes hard. It seriously limits your ability to gain investments. Making competition with similar priced products insanely complex.
it's not.
I'm not blaming Fairphone nor Murena. the economy everywhere is not helping make things cheaper.
it doesn't change the truth that right now, privacy is for the rich.
us poor have to diy it like everything else. lol
so true
i'm going to do it with a fairphone 2 or 3; depending on whichever i can find unused.
Man, I want to try it so bad, but I don't have a thousand EUR…
I want it so bad but I live in the U.S where these types of phones are forbidden by our corporate/police state.
They also have the CMF for 359 euro, you don't have to get the expensive one.
s/rich/dumb/gThis device is not worth the illusionary pricetag of $1423 (converted). Whoever buys this has more pressing issues than their privacy.