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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 131 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah what the fuck. Just like Luigi's alleged engravings. It doesnt make any sense beyond an emotional response. Why take the time to engrave something no one will see? Its going faster than the speed of sound.

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 80 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Typically you would engrave the casing. That goes nowhere near the target.

So yeah.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 48 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (5 children)

Then to the same degree, why engrave the evidence to make it easier to track? It still doesnt make sense.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

So this line of reasoning is a trap. People do dumb ass shit all the time for emotional reasons, including criminals. In fact, people doing dumb ass shit is so reliable that police investigative procedures are almost designed around it.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Except our shooter here was clearly trained. Possibly a veteran. Or maybe it really was a false flag. They would know what engravings would do on the casings that get left behind.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 15 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

A lot of people insisting the guy has to be a professional... He absolutely does not, he just has to be very practiced with a rifle. There are probably over a hundred thousand civilians in the US who can hit a target with a Mauser at 200 yards on the first try, it's literally a feature of some casual gun competitions.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

"Clearly trained". No, not really. Making a headshot at 200 yards with the benefit of a benchrest/tripod/sandbag is not difficult. I've hit that distance before with a 357 magnum revolver from benchrest (though the owner had that thing very well dialed in).

I'm seeing plenty of people who obviously know nothing about guns say it's a hard shot. It's not.

[–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 hours ago

an average golfer could pretty much do that with a golf club and a golf ball lol 200 yards is not far

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, Jan. We used to hit womp rats no bigger than that back home.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Please stop, it hurts. 200 yards is not that hard with a rifle.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

We just watched 2 botched attempts at assassination recently. Its clearly not an easy thing to pull off on high profile targets.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

One of which was done by someone who was kicked off a shooting team for being a dangerously bad shot.

Give me a modern 30 cal hunting rifle, a good scope, ammo, and a benchrest at a 200 yard range and a target. I could teach you to hit a head-sized target in an afternoon, including time to dial in the scope. Hardest skill to learn is calming your nerves when it's a real human head.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

And I'm telling you none of that good shot shit matters because the average person would not be able to remain calm for that. You need training.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 hours ago

And I'm telling you it's hardly impossible.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Olympics has a 62 yard rifle competition. Perfect score is theoretically over 450, though practically 450 cap is useful. Gold was 469 points, and 8th 400 points. Averaging under 9 points per shot, for 8th place, which is missing by more than an inch. Expanding to 200 yards, 8th best world athlete would miss on average by over 3 inches. (though only 1/3 of shots are taken in prone position).

Still, this is a good shot.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Olympics uses air guns. Totally different thing.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

50m is "real rifle" also optimized for accuracy (just hit target at minimum force) rather than max blood gushing.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 hours ago

There is no tracking danger from engravings, other than establishing a message, and then seeing if future suspect might agree with the message.

In this case, it's more likely that a fascist loving employee of fascism may want to project more ammunition for fascism.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago

easier to track

Sounds like a feature, not a bug. What better way to stage a false flag operation?

[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 14 points 16 hours ago

I'm not saying this is the case, but it is very possible that if this person purchased the rifle legally, they believe that the purchase will be traceable back to them and that they will almost certainly be caught. So they could have acted with the mindset that they would be throwing away their own life.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

The casing that the shooter took with them?

Why leave rifle full of them & not leave the one you fired?

This was a CIA or Mossad hit & the shooter isn't even in the USA at this point.

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The rifle is bolt action. The spent casing was still chambered.

I do find it interesting that DOJ lawyers have been seeking the death penalty for Mangione, and linchpin of their case is that he inspired other shooters – something that until recently was openly laughable.
Adding that the story of the supposed writing on the bullets is based on a memo that circulated at the FBI and it’s unknown if that memo was based on accurate information or just the figment of someone’s imagination to create a narrative that people will now just accept as fact.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 20 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Kurt Cobain wants to know how to add a community comment

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

Hehehe. Noice.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 17 points 14 hours ago

Satanic Panic is back