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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 71 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The fact that he was the one that broke the news before all major media, and the fact that he’s doing his level best to railroad the narrative, makes me more and more suspicious that the whole fucking thing was orchestrated.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If that were true, I doubt they'd off Charlie Kirk, he's too valuable. He was essentially the replacement for Rush Limbaugh, and would be their prime recruiter and indoctrinator for the next several decades. Now they have to figure out a new recruiter.

Whoever did this was thinking very strategically. I like it.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No, now they have a martyr. Maybe it was a DIY martyr, is my point. Charlie Kirk as a martyr for their cause is probably going to be more of a powerful and flexible thing long-term than Charlie Kirk as a psychopathic fascist influencer.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I really really think people over estimate the power of martyrdom.

Do you know who Fred Hampton was? If not, proves my point. I think most people don't know who he was, and he definitely would have done more for the world if he hasn't been assassinated.

Hampton was black, and was assassinated when the government was kinda-sorta actively trying to tamp down on civil rights.

Kirk was white, and was assassinated when the government was kinda-sorta actively trying to stir up white suprematist and fascist sentiment.

They are not analogous situations.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 2 days ago

Yeah, martyrdom is over-rated. It worked when people thought martyrs would be the source of miracles, but now it's what? A propaganda tool? They have much better tools than that pointing to a dead guy.

No, Charlie Kirk had taken Rush Limbaugh's position as MAGAs primary recruitment and indoctrination officer. He was instrumental in creating young male conservatives. He was very young, and like Rush, could have held that position for decades, bringing millions into the movement.

Now that's finished, and they will have to groom a new recruiter. It looked like Ben Shapiro for awhile, but Kirk passed him up. Now they'll have to back to their bench and try to prop up someone new.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Fascists see expression of power and killing as rights of the elite. They want the gun losses to be school children. Charlie kirk being skillfully killed is breaking the illusion of their every-man-for-himself victory of the superior.

The only reason I can think the powers to be would benefit from killing him is to start a war with like mexico or something.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

He started asking about the epstein files again. IMO this is how they fire right wing grifters. Especially if they use this to start a war with another country

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago

Okay, I could see that. Killing CK sends a message to other outspoken Epstein critics to STFU, as well as give them a pretense to go after the Left.

Sure, whatever, I'm open to any explanation that keeps the real shooter from being held responsible, just like Luigi. They're a hero, whoever they are. I hope they aren't finished.