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Yes. No animal was intentionally harmed or killed to be turned into oil. This puts it in the same category as foraged deer antlers or cicada wings, or I guess compost where you found a squirrel carcass and added it to the pile.
You could argue that animals are harmed by the process of extracting and burning fossil fuels, and thus it's not vegan. But this isn't very convincing to me, since that's a secondary effect and not necessary to the process of consuming fossil fuels. (Or at least not necessary in the same way that killing chickens is necessary in order to make chicken sandwiches, for example.) And if you start worrying about a big web of consequences of your actions, then it seems like you're mostly just adding stress to your life without actually making the world a better place.
So if a vegan has a pet chicken and treats it well, can the vegan eat the eggs?
Imo "backyard eggs" are really small potatoes, especially when like 98% of eggs globally come from factory farms. But even in that case, egg-laying hens are basically bred to suffer. They lay an egg every 1-2 days, compared to like once a month in the wild, which takes a huge amount of energy and nutrients. And we've bred them to produce eggs too big for their bodies, so that even when they're treated really well, the vast majority of hens have bone fractures.
That's why animal sanctuaries will usually either feed the eggs back to the hens, or give them medication to stop them from laying at all.
Of course, this is on top of the fact that 100% of egg-laying hen breeders, everywhere, kill the males shortly after birth because they can't lay eggs. See this for more information.
'Eggs are really small potatoes?' Got it. Off to make some potato salad.
I had a "pet" chicken when I was younger. One day we woke up and cockle-doodle-doo. It was a boy. I came home from school and he was gone.
Rip.
Bees aren't intentionally harmed or killed to make honey but it isn't vegan.
I mean I think bees are harmed in the production of honey, it's just that most people don't care about bee welfare. Commercially they're bred by crushing the male to extract semen, and any operation above hobby scale will clip the wings of the queen so that the hive can't escape.
Then you necessarily need to replace their ideal food source with something that is nutritionally much worse for them (basically sugar water), and then hope that they survive on that long enough to make more honey for us to take.
This isn't entirely true. Sometimes queen bees have their wings cur off to insure they stay in the beehive, and thus make the beehive produce honey. Also, the queens can then often be discarded/killed at the end of the season. So no harm being done in the production of honey is not always the case.
I feel like there should be an option to certify honey as being vegan if no harm is done to the bees in the process though.
Honey isn't vegan because it is an animal product, and veganism seeks to avoid animal exploitation and cruelty. I think any form of taking honey from bees would be considered exploitive but that's just my view/opinion.
There's a fair bit of nuance around the topic of whether honey should be vegan or not, since honeybees also overproduce, and that is its own problem. Like with sheep's wool.
Although crude oil has the additional complication where it's an incidental post-death product, like fertiliser, and from that viewpoint, it would be about as ethical.
Same argument could be used for Eggs and Milk then, those are not considered vegan, but in the end the animal does not get hurt.
Cows need to be impregnated by introducing an arm in their anus and holding their cervix so they can introduce a rod with semen in their uterus.
Male cows and chickens are useless to the industry so they usually get killed soon after birth.
Chickens usually are kept in cages the size of an A4 paper, cows also usually are very badly treated in order to be milked. Check out https://3minutes.wtf/ so you can see that even what the industry calls the "best animal treatment" is still very inhumane.
But what about self farmed eggs?
It's not uncommon for people in rural areas to have chicken around. Those chicken are taken care of, and roam around big spaces. Those chicken will also lay eggs on their own without any harm done to them. Most harm done is denying fertilization that would be similar to denying of reproduction to pet dogs or cats.
Situations happening in industrial farming are not universal. Specifically about the egg thing I go out of my way to buy eggs that are classified in a way that prove that the chicken are not in that conditions of living their whole life in a small cage.
Males are still killed at 1 day old.
Domesticated chickens were bred to lay about 1 egg a day when their wild counterpart lay about 1 egg per month. That's a huge toll on their body.
You seem to care and go out of your way to avoid needless suffering. Fortunately it's easy to stop supporting animal exploitation.
I only buy eggs from a local farmer and they have their chicken run around in a rather large arrea
Isn't this just vegetarianism at that point