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It's hard - give them a compelling reason to leave. I use Telegram, Signal, Discord and Session... Discord is rarely used - I use Telegram and Signal the most. Session is quite new.
But what we need is for someone like Mozilla to make a messaging app - someone with the users best interest at the heart, and who don't share anything with anyone else... And at a reasonable price... Privacy isn't free - if anyone should be in doubt.
What are your thoughts on the privacy of telegram? It has always seemed fishy to me (could just be the prevalent usage of it in conspiracy theory communities though)
I'd be thoroughly shocked if the FSB didn't have a backdoor for telegram.
No one can be sure that there isn't a backdoor for any app... Sorry to say, even open source have weaknesses...
Durov is an absolute scumbag though. Russian Elon Musk.
Telegram shouldnt even be in the conversation when there are alternatives like Signal.
Oh, do please worship Signal!
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/8974
Well... I don't trust any companies that works for money - and that's all of them. Now I'm not in some group trying to overthrow the system, so I don't feel so vulnerable - but if I were, I wouldn't be using any app, on any phone.
Telegram is not 100 % safe, and you have to enable encryption too, if you want it. But is Signal safe? Google? Any other app? There's some that feel safer than others - and you have to come to terms with how safe you want to be. If you want to be as safe as possible, you have to do the encryption yourself, on a system that's not connected to the internet, before sending it to someone who can decrypt it themselves on a system not connected. Or you have to use pen and paper, and deliver it yourself - or just meet people and talk to them - without any devices in your pocket.
If you, like me, just want to be able to communicate with you kids, your friends, family and other loved ones, about trivial things - I think you can feel pretty safe with those I mentioned.
That Telegrams owners are Russian (in exile) doesn't matter to me. USA is the biggest spy and snoop on earth. No one is really much worse than the other. I guess it's more important for some, to argue about who is the worst snoop and privacy invasive company/nation/agency and so forth - instead of criticizing everyone who invades their privacy - even their own government.
Would you say that it's irrelevant that for example Signal is open source and makes an effort to make the code they run on their servers verifyable? Or that the messenger is made by a foundation? I will have to look into the backdoor allegations in the other thread, if true it should be pointed out in the code. I still think that is preferable to a complete black box like WhatsApp or Telegram
I’m not using it to plan a coup, I’m using it mostly because it has first class bot support and decent clients.
I’ll look into signal again when they get bots
You're commenting on federated social media that you're hoping some company will create a centralised chat app... Use a matrix client my dude.
Do you have a habit of putting your twisted thoughts in the mouth of others? It's a bad habit, so please don't do that! If you are so petty, you need to attack me for something I write, do that. But making up stories about others in your own petty head, and then attacking them for it - is low!
Hoping for a company to make a chat app
Are we paying for fediverse services? Are there any companies involved?
Matrix is federated, private, and free...
What exactly did I make up? Were you hoping for a company to make a for-profit federated app?
You may not be, but many of us are. None of it is free, from development to hosting to administrating. That works okay for now, but might be a limiting factor.
Edit: I also thing community stewardship could work better than it does.
I was responding in the context of users paying for access, the same thing OC was talking about. You would then need to create a for-profit entity in order to be able to charge for the use of the app.
Mozilla is more an organisation than a company. It turns profit to work for the free internet, in a world where companies with billions oppose it. But yeah, I'm sure that this federated (which also means an organisation of a sort) will prevail on it's own. Nice banner you have here - and the following is surely huge! ;-)
And feddit du cost money - the cost is just shared by the ones making and maintaining the serves and software. But hey, keep believing it's free...
Matrix is not free. It might be private - who knows for sure? And it's not used by many...
Where did I write "for profit"? Are you really that clueless? A reasonable price, is what it cost to develop and maintain it, and promote it. You know, just like Mozilla does. It's not a "for profit" company, it's an organisation for internet privacy and freedom. So please stop you lies. That's a childish way to try to argue!
There are 2 organizations, the Mozilla foundation and it's subsidiary the Mozilla corporation. The corp is a for-profit entity, they're the ones developing software, and generating revenue (mainly through the Google search deal).
Source? The main opposition to Mozilla are ad agencies, and former employees who think they've abandoned their values (pocket, Google, AI, MDN, etc.). Their main opposition in the browser space has been keeping them afloat for years.
Wtf are you talking about? Learn what the federated part of fediverse means.
Also, love how you're talking shit about federated services on a federated service. You can't make this up.
No shit hosting cost money, I was specifically talking about the cost to the end user, the same thing as you...
Lmao
Matrix is a FOSS protocol, and there are multiple FOSS apps using that protocol. You can even host it on your own if you want to be absolutely sure nobody can get any possible metadata. You literally can't get more sure than that unless you write it yourself...
Again, the Mozilla corporation is a for-profit entity, and that's why they're able to charge for premium services...
Do a bit of research instead of spouting nonsense, calling names, and throwing tantrums. It's not very mature.
You are funny. Pocket is a core value?!?
I'm talking truth about a federated service on a federated service. Can't you handle that? Are you too fragile for that?
And childish as you are, you assume you know what I'm talking about. That's just a pathetic move! Learn to debate, and stop lying!
I know your reading comprehension, or thinking for that matter, is not so good, but try to take the whole sentence and figure out how those examples fit in.
Don't worry, I can handle laughing at you just fine. You seem to be losing it though.
Holy shit, this must be what talking to Trump is like. You see an argument you don't like, start screaming incoherent nonsense and fake news, mix in a few insults that make you feel superior, and end up thinking you're debating anything.