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as hard as it is to accept, a lot of the issues were imported by immigration and a failure to make sure that the immigrants get integrated into society. from what i know, there's a pretty deep divide there, with immigrants being disadvantaged in society and the swedes themselves feeling overwhelmed by a flood of immigrants. Sadly that's a good substrate for gang violence and yeah, like you said, it's stupid.
Edit since people seem to misunderstand: The failure lies in the integration, not with the immigrants. Sweden imported a lot of traumatized people and neither gave them therapy nor the means to function in swedish society a.k.a. education so they can get jobs. The gangbangers today are second or third generation immigrants mixed with the lower class native kids, all of them inherited the trauma from their parents through abuse and addiction. All of them share that they don't have a perspective for the future that would give them a way out.
>account less than a day old
>it's immigrant's fault
yeah,,, alright bestie
You see this is the problem. In real life, two things are often true at the same time. Like not all immigrants being criminals but immigrants committing violent crimes at a higher rate than the native population. I mean if you are gonna claim that the cause isn’t immigration then at least provide a counter reason. The optics are not great statistically:
https://bra.se/english/publications/archive/2025-07-04-homicide-victims-and-perpetrators
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08862605241311611
The reasons can be whatever, you can argue it’s not tied to their culture or their background but it’s because of systemic issues in the country like having less access to social nets. I can accept that and I believe that too. That is still not an argument to allow everyone in willy nilly and then also give them access to social nets so that they become overwhelmed to the point the entire thing collapses. So yeah, immigration needs to be controlled no matter where, but especially in places with strong safety nets.
Yes, actually, I unironically agree with your strawman of someone else's position: people have a fundamental right to freedom of movement.
Sure, but countries, societies and communities in general also have a right to exclude and to generally not allow people they don’t want or that they cannot accommodate into their groups. Strong safety nets means a need to carefully manage resources.
Yeah, that was my point. The asylum system in Sweden was very permissive, but left the immigrants stranded. Those coming into the land did not have the education or skills that were needed in sweden, and there weren't enough programs to treat PTSD and educate those coming into the country. That means you have a lot of traumatized people sitting around without jobs. Those Gangs now are the second or third generation of immigrants that are still trapped in this limbo, getting traumatized by their disillusioned and STILL NOT therapied parents.
I mean, I know it's not popular but Hitler had a legitimate point... /S
Gross
i did not say it's the fault of the immigrants, its a failure to integrate them, which places the blame on both sides. It's a fact that a lot of immigrants came into sweden, which was a nice thing from the swedes, but then the immigrants weren't given the same chances in society the natives had. I am not a nazi apologist, get some reading comprehension.
I just switched over from db0 ( https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/a_wild_mimic_appears ).
I can't find where I called you one.
you insinuated it, and i dont want to be put in that corner. i'm pretty left wing and pro immigration, but that immigration must be coordinated and supplemented by therapy and education - both mandatory. Asylum is important, but the integrity of the social fabric is paramount.
I am pro controlled immigration - if that is anti-immigration for you, then it's a "you" problem, not mine. That includes your paranoia regarding account age on a brand new piefed instance where all accounts are new.
Uncontrolled immigration leads to the issues Sweden currently has.
No, i am not swedish, but i am austrian - we also had a lot of asylum seekers in 2015 (iirc the most in europe in relation to total population), and i can see the same mistakes here. our safety net is better than that of the swedes, which helps a lot, but the flood of uncontrolled immigration has strengthened our far right party and should the safety net be reduced i fear for a similar outcome here with a 10 to 15 year delay.
Bestie, surely you realise that new accounts are the most likely to be trolls? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, hence why the app I use (Voyager) shows you the account age <30 days in the first place.
I think my points were pretty well articulated, analyzed the issues at hand and gave insight in something i keep up with. I think most trolls don't put as much effort in their comment as i do. If you still think i'm trolling i feel a little insulted, because i really think a lot about what i comment and how. Whatever, have a nice day tho, no hard feelings from my side.
I knew it! It's the sinister musliamics doing all the murders! Pure as white snow Swedish sweet baby girls could never do a crime.
Get some reading comprehension. Its a failure to integrate the immigrants, which is as much an error by the natives as the immigrants. This creates a parallel society, where a lot of people traumatized by war and crime are left to fend for themselves in a society that doesn't give them the means to work inside of that society. Those immigrants didn't have the education or knowledge to get good jobs, and the swedish society failed in giving them the therapy and education they would have needed to succeed. The gang fighters now are their children, mixed with the underclass of the native swedes.
Nah dude you're just racist.
No, the race is not the issue, the trauma and the missing knowledge (cultural and technological) made it very hard for the immigrants to secure jobs and create a stable home - there was simply not enough support from the native population for them. If you sit at home, cant get work and only get financial support when you would need therapy and learning materials, then your children will probably not have a stable home. This is also reflected in the crime statistics - higher education radically reduced the chance to become a victim or perpetrate a violent crime.
Murder rates (victims) for 20-24 y.o. people who have 2 immigrants as parents are more 10 times higher than the national average. The statistics for the perpetrators look similar. The race is not very relevant, this would have happened with any population coming from a wartorn country with low to none education - if you aren't literate, there are not many jobs you can do in a first world country; if you don't know how to use a computer, you can pretty much only work stuff like warehouse worker or bouncer.
Is always the first thing a prickly redditor says when they write something stupid, and someone comes along and comprehends it