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This article is fucking crazy, what the hell is wrong with Sweden now?
Since when are there Swede rappers? That is weird enough in itself.
I get that drugs are largely the issue, but these people live in a country with a laundry list of social welfare programs that most people could only dream of. Free healthcare, free education at all levels, and a boatload of economic support initiatives for people in poverty. They literally are living life on easy mode compared to the rest of the poor people in the world for the most part. Why do they turn to drugs in the first place? It clearly shouldnt be out of hopelessness for their situation…
Also, by this quote it makes it seem that the lead subject of the article didnt even do anything ruthless herself at all:
So she “chose to shoot the guy in the head” as in she chose to have some dude shoot the guy in the head.
This whole situation is ridiculous. It seems like there is some underlying culture glorifying the violence that occurs in countries where people dont have any of what the Swedes have available to them. None of them need to deal drugs to survive, or commit acts of violence. None of them even need to be using drugs out of hopelessness for their future. Its like the equivalent of suburban American kids with college funds wanting to be gangbangers because they think its cool. Fucking stupid
Unless something drastic has happened in just 2025 that isn't reflected in the data yet, the actual murder rate in Sweden hasn't really changed much in the past 30 years. It's high by Nordic standards, middle of the road for European standards, and low by global standards. Sweden is still just a normal country with normal human problems, even if it is very prosperous and has a lot of sensible government policies
That there are Swedish rappers definitely isn't that weird either. I don't even enjoy rap and I've heard of a Greenlandic rapper. I've got a Togolese metal band on my main playlist. There was a Black American blues singer who went to Tuva in Russia to learn throat singing and got nicknamed "Earthquake" becauseof how low his voice was. People like music from all over
Yeah, the normal population can still live a normal life. But the murder rate of the 20-24 y.o. where both parents have an immigration background is 10 times higher than the normal pop. (176 p. 100k to 16 p. 100k), which is pretty fucking high.
What are you even trying to imply here? Rap has been a thing in Sweden for decades, what's weird about it?
We've been dealing with rising inequality in Sweden for the last ~50 years. We've also had large amounts of immigration, with these immigrants in many ways having become second class citizens, getting concentrated into the diminishing stock of social housing/slum lord-controlled areas. We also have an unusually restrictive policy against drugs, the sales of which then becoming one of the few lucrative options for someone growing up in a poor area.
It's similar motivations to what happens in the U.S - if you're poor, some of the only realistic options for making it big from your perspective is either a career in professional sports (see Zlatan Ibrahimovic) or drugs (see various gang bosses)
It's not necessarily that they pursue these "careers" out of a need to fuel a drug addiction, although that may certainly become a motivation for maintaining it - along with the threat of violence if leaving.
Some of the largest consumers of drugs in Sweden are the richest people, having lots of money to spend on cocaine. Again, a similar situation to the U.S in many ways here.
Sweden took in more refugees than it had infrastructure to help integrate with. Swedes are culturally insular so when there were friction points the Swedish reaction is pull back. This leads to isolation. That lead to ghettos and a perfect breading ground for crime and gangs. It’s mainly Kurds and Somalis pushing cocaine that fueling a turf war. Because of Swedens laws protecting minors the gangs have figured out that paying them for hits on rivals and their families had little penalty. This started in Denmark as their testing ground. Sweden is trying to pass laws which would effectively expel the minor and their families for these kinds of crimes, but it’s a reactionary policy which won’t solve the underlying problems. There’s no simple quick fix here.
To be clear, this was a choice. The amount of disinvestment since the 80s in social housing, schooling and other social programs has been truly remarkable.
This is largely bullshit in my experience - people use it as a convenient explanation for what can adequately be explained by other forces
There's no intentional isolation on the part of immigrants as much as there's a diminishing social housing stock/social housing being sold out to slumlords.
People don't intentionally select high crime areas to live in - they are not given the option to live somewhere else.
Using kids for gang hits is common in other places as well, because kids get more lenient sentences in other places too. See the U.S for an example on this trend being present earlier in history.
I think the Nordic countries get held up as these utopias when that's actually far from the truth. I have a Swedish friend on a disability pension, and I'm also on the same sort of pension here in Australia. She gets a bit less than half of what I do a month. It's not like she has other social programs that make up for it really either. We both have access to similar healthcare, I think I'm paying less for meds, I have much better disability insurance covering other things like support work and mobility aids.
I think some people just have this false impression of places like Sweden. I guess they look pretty great if you're from the US but yeah...
Plus they have basically taxed alcohol out of use. Gotten rid of paper money, there is a lot to be desired.
Which probably has the same effect as prohibition in the US, with huge financial incentive for smuggling and black markets. Another stupid thing, every half-brained goon can make alcohol unless you forbid fruits and sugar.
I have been brewing my own for a few years now, drinking moderately every day this year all homebrewed for the most part. It is so much cheaper. And less running to the store. Plus there is no record of you being a frequent user of alcohol when you brew it yourself. Which in the US could very well be used against you on me law enforcement Information Network they use.
It doesn't really. The only smuggling is for yourself in form of alcohol tourism where those living close to borders drive across and stock up on it.
Alcohol is still available in Sweden, just more expensive. Hardly anyone turns to the black market to get like 30% off.
This is not accurate whatsoever, Sweden has similar levels of alcohol consumption per capita to Spain, where alcohol is not expensive.
It is accurate that it is tax really heavy. Is it just in a bar or all together? But it is like 10 euros a beer or something I read.
Alcohol is taxed significantly in bars and outside.
A beer in the alcohol monopoly store - the only place that can legally sell alcohol surpassing 3.5% ABV - starts at about 10 SEK, approximately 1 EUR/USD.
A beer in a bar starts at perhaps 40 SEK, if you go to a really cheap place. Upscale places charge higher prices accordingly, with prices around 100 SEK not being uncommon.
To cope with the prices, a culture of pre-gaming has evolved in Sweden, so that you don't have to break the bank once you're out drinking.
Oh that is not so bad I was led to believe it was much higher even in the bars. You would be hard pressed to find beer for less than four or five dollars a bar now in the US. A little less than $2 a beer in the store for high quality IPA, 20 bucks for 12. I brew my own though.
Meh, Australia is the same on both these counts, though alcohol is still very heavily used. Those things are objectively less of a pawblem than welfare programs not being liveable.
I will not tolerate this Yung Lean slander!
I expect that this might me due to functional police and criminal investigation systems. Less functional countries, which are in the majority, will likely fail to find the right perpetrator, fail to report on it, blame the crime on the wrong person, ignore the crime, etc.
Those suburban kids emulate street gangs while the leaders of those street gangs emulate the fathers of those suburban kids in the corporate structure.
as hard as it is to accept, a lot of the issues were imported by immigration and a failure to make sure that the immigrants get integrated into society. from what i know, there's a pretty deep divide there, with immigrants being disadvantaged in society and the swedes themselves feeling overwhelmed by a flood of immigrants. Sadly that's a good substrate for gang violence and yeah, like you said, it's stupid.
Edit since people seem to misunderstand: The failure lies in the integration, not with the immigrants. Sweden imported a lot of traumatized people and neither gave them therapy nor the means to function in swedish society a.k.a. education so they can get jobs. The gangbangers today are second or third generation immigrants mixed with the lower class native kids, all of them inherited the trauma from their parents through abuse and addiction. All of them share that they don't have a perspective for the future that would give them a way out.
>account less than a day old
>it's immigrant's fault
yeah,,, alright bestie
You see this is the problem. In real life, two things are often true at the same time. Like not all immigrants being criminals but immigrants committing violent crimes at a higher rate than the native population. I mean if you are gonna claim that the cause isn’t immigration then at least provide a counter reason. The optics are not great statistically:
https://bra.se/english/publications/archive/2025-07-04-homicide-victims-and-perpetrators
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08862605241311611
The reasons can be whatever, you can argue it’s not tied to their culture or their background but it’s because of systemic issues in the country like having less access to social nets. I can accept that and I believe that too. That is still not an argument to allow everyone in willy nilly and then also give them access to social nets so that they become overwhelmed to the point the entire thing collapses. So yeah, immigration needs to be controlled no matter where, but especially in places with strong safety nets.
Yes, actually, I unironically agree with your strawman of someone else's position: people have a fundamental right to freedom of movement.
Sure, but countries, societies and communities in general also have a right to exclude and to generally not allow people they don’t want or that they cannot accommodate into their groups. Strong safety nets means a need to carefully manage resources.
Yeah, that was my point. The asylum system in Sweden was very permissive, but left the immigrants stranded. Those coming into the land did not have the education or skills that were needed in sweden, and there weren't enough programs to treat PTSD and educate those coming into the country. That means you have a lot of traumatized people sitting around without jobs. Those Gangs now are the second or third generation of immigrants that are still trapped in this limbo, getting traumatized by their disillusioned and STILL NOT therapied parents.
I mean, I know it's not popular but Hitler had a legitimate point... /S
Gross
i did not say it's the fault of the immigrants, its a failure to integrate them, which places the blame on both sides. It's a fact that a lot of immigrants came into sweden, which was a nice thing from the swedes, but then the immigrants weren't given the same chances in society the natives had. I am not a nazi apologist, get some reading comprehension.
I just switched over from db0 ( https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/a_wild_mimic_appears ).
I can't find where I called you one.
you insinuated it, and i dont want to be put in that corner. i'm pretty left wing and pro immigration, but that immigration must be coordinated and supplemented by therapy and education - both mandatory. Asylum is important, but the integrity of the social fabric is paramount.
I am pro controlled immigration - if that is anti-immigration for you, then it's a "you" problem, not mine. That includes your paranoia regarding account age on a brand new piefed instance where all accounts are new.
Uncontrolled immigration leads to the issues Sweden currently has.
No, i am not swedish, but i am austrian - we also had a lot of asylum seekers in 2015 (iirc the most in europe in relation to total population), and i can see the same mistakes here. our safety net is better than that of the swedes, which helps a lot, but the flood of uncontrolled immigration has strengthened our far right party and should the safety net be reduced i fear for a similar outcome here with a 10 to 15 year delay.
Bestie, surely you realise that new accounts are the most likely to be trolls? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, hence why the app I use (Voyager) shows you the account age <30 days in the first place.
I think my points were pretty well articulated, analyzed the issues at hand and gave insight in something i keep up with. I think most trolls don't put as much effort in their comment as i do. If you still think i'm trolling i feel a little insulted, because i really think a lot about what i comment and how. Whatever, have a nice day tho, no hard feelings from my side.
I knew it! It's the sinister musliamics doing all the murders! Pure as white snow Swedish sweet baby girls could never do a crime.
Get some reading comprehension. Its a failure to integrate the immigrants, which is as much an error by the natives as the immigrants. This creates a parallel society, where a lot of people traumatized by war and crime are left to fend for themselves in a society that doesn't give them the means to work inside of that society. Those immigrants didn't have the education or knowledge to get good jobs, and the swedish society failed in giving them the therapy and education they would have needed to succeed. The gang fighters now are their children, mixed with the underclass of the native swedes.
Nah dude you're just racist.
No, the race is not the issue, the trauma and the missing knowledge (cultural and technological) made it very hard for the immigrants to secure jobs and create a stable home - there was simply not enough support from the native population for them. If you sit at home, cant get work and only get financial support when you would need therapy and learning materials, then your children will probably not have a stable home. This is also reflected in the crime statistics - higher education radically reduced the chance to become a victim or perpetrate a violent crime.
Murder rates (victims) for 20-24 y.o. people who have 2 immigrants as parents are more 10 times higher than the national average. The statistics for the perpetrators look similar. The race is not very relevant, this would have happened with any population coming from a wartorn country with low to none education - if you aren't literate, there are not many jobs you can do in a first world country; if you don't know how to use a computer, you can pretty much only work stuff like warehouse worker or bouncer.
Is always the first thing a prickly redditor says when they write something stupid, and someone comes along and comprehends it