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I have both the PinePhone and the PinePhone Pro, IMHO :
Not implementedorNot working... so with all that very very few people used either as a daily driver and thus even less probably invested time to make it actually usable.
It's amazing as a tinkering device with connectivity... but in practice I went instead to a deGoogle Android phone (with /e/OS by Murena). I still have other hardware by Pine, e.g. PineNote or PineTab2, so I do enjoy they provide a very valuable service to the community and I'll keep on, probably, getting more from them but one has to be pragmatic about the software limitations coming from a company that basically does not provide software for the hardware they sell.
Regarding Android apps: I hope that https://gitlab.com/android_translation_layer/android_translation_layer will make a difference here going forward. A Wine-like approach is just so much less of a resource hog.
Regarding the Camera on the PinePhone Pro: It somewhat works by now, if not on every OS. Be it with libcamera or Megapixels 2, we're getting there. I suppose it's just that nobody told the Wiki.
Right or https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/09/valve-appear-to-be-testing-arm64-and-android-support-for-steam-on-linux/ is also pretty positive but until it's actually done and does support banking apps (which might not be possible due to a lot of restrictions, e.g Google services, signed ROM only, etc) then everybody will remain on the fence.
Good to know for the PPPro. PmOS indicates the support as partial https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/PINE64_PinePhone_Pro_(pine64-pinephonepro) I should try again at some point.
Just 2ct's on the banking thing (sorry if it sounds rude, but I just can't hear it anymore):
Just forget banking apps of you don't want to stay on iOS or proper Google Android forever and ever and ever, even AOSP-based OSes struggle with that (a lot).
Go to a bank that still has a proper website and allows some kind of hardware device for TAN (and tell them that this is why you are leaving/joining) - we need to show market demand for alternative solutions or else these will disappear completely over time.
We also need to make regulators/politicians understand, that taking part in life must be possible without owning a device blessed by Google or Apple. We really need laws here.
It's not rude but it's incorrect. I have a deGoogled phone and do mobile banking with it. I don't know for how long though but just to say it's possible today.
Yes though I do recommend relying on a bank that does not force its customers to use Apple or Google only. I hope they'd be a way to disclose that beside just name & shame.