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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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"Genocide is the wrong word to describe the horrors in XinJiang"
Wow great job on that one. You found the word genocide in a link in the 160 page report and it proves my point.
A link is not a claim by Amnesty by the way.
you haven't even read that article, headline reader. If you did, you'd know that's a deliberately provocative headline. lol
or the amnesty one for that matter
you also don't know how sources work
quadruple F
The 160 page report also does not contain Amnesty using the term genocide.
It only contains the three links which you pretend are evidence because you know you are utterly wrong.
Is there even an accusation of the crime of "Extermination"? Which is basically genocide without proving intent. That is what Israel got initially.
Is your argument legitimately over the usage of a word? You won't even entertain any of the human rights abuses because it doesn't contain your safe word? That's not how literacy works.
Okay, well, the term "violation" is mentioned 80 times. "Abuse" 24 times. "Detain/detainees" mentioned 721 times.
Yes words have meaning. Guantanamo Bay is also many human rights abuses but not targeted extermination of an entire group.
Thank you for conceding the argument. I agree with the second paragraph of your comment.
I don’t think the Uyghurs being forcibly surgically sterilized care what vocabulary word you use. They know they are being systematically exterminated, and so does most of the rest of the world.
I'll concede the argument that Amnesty only references the word "genocide" three times in their report, if you concede that China is imperialist with human rights abuses and putting Uyghurs into internment camps. Which you should agree is occurring, no? After all isn't your argument It's not a genocide, it's just human rights abuses in an internment camp on the basis of their ethnicity.
Otherwise, you should be aware that this community has rules regarding revisionism and apologia, and denying the treatment of the Uyghurs falls under violation of these rules.
Amnesty used the word genocide zero times in their report. Unless you count text in a hyperlink as a word usage.
Do you have any actual evidence, or is your entire argument limited to hoping nobody fact checks anything you say?
if you concede that China is imperialist with human rights abuses and putting Uyghurs into internment camps.
Sure. Though Chinese imperialism is very little compared to the US or Europe.
Oh the famous "what about"!
Yeah can kill people because what about the Spanish armada killing people eh?! /s
Tankies are so predictable.
I don't care about the US or Europe, this is about Chinese imperialism.
And the human rights abuses for putting Uyghurs into internment camps based on their ethnicity?
For their religion not their ethnicity.
Chinese Imperialism is mainly in supporting the Junta in Myanmar.
Plenty of warning and you kept doubling down. Please read the rules. Your ban will last 24 hours for apologia and revisionism.
If you read the amnesty report you quote so much, you'll know that it was on grounds of ethnicity. Regardless, religion is just as bad.
There's also no such thing as 'supportive' imperialism, and you're also ignoring Tibet, China in the Southern sea and the Belt and Road initiative
Wow what normal human behavior, Ctrl+Fing a report describing an ongoing genocide and instead of seeing the systemic and targeted human rights violations and becoming upset at the flagrant devaluation of human life, you go winging on about whether or not it technically is a genocide or not, and throw in some whataboutism as a red herring. Very normal human behavior that doesn't scream tankie at all
This was hilarious, thank you.
Yeah that's who you're talking to.
https://lemmy.cafe/search?q=israel&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=21864&page=1&sort=TopAll
You think he's gonna act in good faith?
He whines against china and russia only to deflect people from his own guilt.
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Why do you doubt the genocide of the Uyghurs?
Please don't creep out on the votes and start arguments based on assumptions. If I wanted to debate, I would have commented.
What is even happening
I make exceptions for admins, and you certainly want to engage, considering you've been downvoting comments critical of tankies in the past.
Voting is absolutely not "wanting to engage". Also jumping to conclusions based on voting patterns is just a recipe for drama.
Well, I'm giving you a good opportunity now to explain
Seriously mate? You don't get to demand an interrogation whenever you fancy out of people.
The genocide police will be at your door soon for not being critical of tankies enough. After 2 years of re-education, you will hate tankies like rhe rest of us enlightened minds
Also palestinian deserved it
Lmao i stand for absolutely nothing
You literally have a community dedicated to exactly that. You can handle it.
Sure, I can handle it, but I'm not gonna entertain your creepy-ass behaviour.
I like to know what people are supportive of Uyghur genocide denialism, and also because this community and myself regularly get brigaded and attacked by spammers/bots

Nice try walking it back. Lets hope everyone forgot this discussion is about you calling out someone because they voted a certain way.
Not someone, an admin. I can see all votes (you can too using different forks), and this is the only time I've publicly called attention to it because db0 is an admin, instance owner and moderator of !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com. Which, mind you, is a community that is dedicated to interrogating people -- Honestly couldn't resist the chance to test that hypocrisy.
It's alarming for them to be supportive of tankie talking points.
Calling out anyone at all except for botting sends a message to everyone here that you are watching them for wrongthink.
Calling all human rights organisations tankies because they do not call it genocide does not really work. You just agreed with this point down below.
Not someone, an admin. I can see all votes (you can too using different forks), and this is the only time I’ve publicly called attention to it because db0 is an admin, instance owner and moderator of !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com. Which, mind you, is a community that is dedicated to interrogating people
When did I call human rights organisations tankies?
No they just have to agree with Goat to be non-biased ✨
nope
https://lemmy.cafe/search?q=israel&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=21864&page=1&sort=TopAll
You got to admit it's funny that antitankies, zionists and die hard dumbocrats are basically the same people
I appreciate the sentiment but please don't pile on for my sake. Hexbear does that as well and I know it's frustrating to be on the receiving side