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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 72 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Bazzite is not growing because it's immutable.

[–] Thrickles@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago
[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 6 points 1 week ago

But "being immutable" is not why Bazzite is growing.

[–] j0rge@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bazzite's growth is not because it is immutable, Bazzite's growth is because it offers gamers a straightforward onboarding process.

[–] quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago

It offers a straightforward onboarding process because it's image based. The model is part of the success.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The upward trend is not because Bazzite is immutable.

[–] quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago

I disagree with you fundamentally, if it wasn't for the simple updates and stability this would not have the success that it does. The image is part of the model.

[–] j0rge@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

lol you're confusing me, bazzite isn't immutable. Do you mean to say "Bazzite is growing for other reasons?"

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Wut? You're responding to a trend graph for Fedora's immutable (Atomic) forks.

Built on Fedora's rpm-ostree system, Bazzite uses an immutable design with atomic updates and rollback functionality.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazzite_(operating_system)

But yes, since the trend chart is showing immutable distros and how Bazzite is growing, I am saying the fact that Bazzite is immutable has nothing to do with it's growth.

Edit: Reading again, I realize you might not know that Fedora Atomic is the immutable base. 😉

[–] j0rge@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The Bazzite team doesn't control the wikipedia page, just the official documentation. Someone made up the term "immutable design", that's not a thing it's just a container. There's no need to confuse people just call it bazzite or a container. Atomic is a fedora brand name, it's not a thing to classify things under.

As you can see from the comments in the thread all this does is confuse people.

Source: I work on bazzite

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 1 week ago

"Immutable": A term to describe Linux operating systems that do not follow the traditional filesystem layout where every single file can be removed by the user with root privileges. It is more nuanced than this in the case of Bazzite, but is still considered "immutable" from the point of view of the extended Linux community. The Bazzite team would not describe Bazzite as an "immutable" operating system.

https://docs.bazzite.gg/General/terms/

I'm a big fan of Bazzite, but as stated in the docs, "immutable" is a term the community uses to describe it.

Education is the key to reducing confusion, not pretending a system architecture doesn't exist or matter.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

After reading this I’m confused about what immutable means

[–] j0rge@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Bazzite contributor here, there's no reason to care about this. This term just confuses people you can safely ignore it.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 0 points 1 week ago

Pretend your running a live OS off a read-only USB, yet any changes (app installs, config changes, etc) you make are saved to the HD. A new version of the OS comes out, so you write a new ISO to your USB, and upon booting it, all you changes are applied on top.

This is a simplistic view of immutable distros, but thwy wrk more like snapshots. It allows for rollback. So you install v1, then v2 is a newer snapshot of the base OS, v3 is another, always building.

The catch is they often require apps to run under things like flatpak so you don't have to alter the OS packages. Personally, I'm not a fan for a daily driver, but it's great for distros like Bazzite.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

👑 the goat is here