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Honestly, for Europe the choice is to fight Russian in Ukraine now, or fight them in other European countries later. No sane person wants war, but if Russia succeeds in Ukraine it's only going to want more. Much better to fight them in someone else's country while they're struggling, than let them gain control over that country and it's population and resources, which it can then mobilize for further conquest.
This is Russia Derangement Syndrome or what we used to call Russophobia.
Russia a) has zero intent to invade the rest of Europe, b) has zero capability to invade the rest of Europe, c) gains absolutely nothing by invading the rest of Europe, d) creates incredible strategic weakness by invading the rest of Europe, and e) alienates not only European markets but would even alienate its own allies
Russia cannot and will not invade the rest of Europe. Anyone fear mongering to the contrary is selling something.
Russian hasn't done a single thing that Europe didn't find entirely acceptable when it was being done by themselves, the US, or Israel.
So you agree Russia is doing absolutely awful things?
Yeah, but nothing that the West hadn't already normalised. And still not as awful as what Germany is supporting in Gaza right now
Marvel brain logic
I totally agree, don't listen to the tankies here! That's why every European should sign up for Ukraine's foreign legion as soon as possible! Let me know folks if you need any help with that.
After 3½ years of fighting Russia hasn’t even taken all of the Donbas yet, never mind Ukraine. They couldn’t continue on invading Europe even if they wanted to, which they don’t.
This kind of confusion is what happens when you misunderstand why the war started in the first place. Previously.
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Your comment contains a lot of oversimplifications:
Many experts call for the pursuit of diplomatic pathways out of the stalemate to avoid a protracted war and further escalation. The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace has published numerous analytical pieces (e.g., by analyst Eugene Rumer) emphasizing that without realistic diplomatic negotiations about Europe's future security architecture, the conflict risks turning into a frozen, yet smoldering phase for years to come.
https://www.cfr.org/article/neutrality-alternative-ukraines-membership-nato
An alternative scenario is a strategy that involves not "fighting the Russians in Ukraine" but maximally strengthening Europe's own defensiveness and supporting Ukraine to strengthen its position in potential negotiations. Dr Barbara Kunz and Dan Smith from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), have noted that the EU and NATO's long-term strategy should focus on scaling up their own defense production and capabilities, not just on supplying arms to Ukraine.
https://www.sipri.org/commentary/essay/2024/nato-new-need-some-old-ideas