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[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Sadly, I am. There are laws about how the animals can be put down and though they are not what I would want them to be, they do at least somewhat limit the cruelty inherent in the process.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

How they're "put down" (that's a very kind euphemism) is only part of the problem. It's how they're forced to live

That's their entire life.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Right, so it doesn't matter what Noem did, because there is already so much cruelty out there? Why are people defending her cruelty by pointing out the existence of institutional cruelty? They are both bad. One does not refute the other.

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is the internet. Deflection from the point being made, in an effort to one-up or simply argue with a post.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

More specifically this is Lemmy. If we don't have morons arguing with the dumbest logic possible, something is wrong.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's still better overall than Reddit. The bad arguments are no better, but there are far fewer people to jump in.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

That's a fair assessment.

So theyre forced to live just like the people Noem is kidnapping via ICE?

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

Between what the law says and what actually happens, there is a yawning gulf. It's the same in basically all jurisdictions where there are animal-welfare laws. The meat industry is powerful and consumers are unrelenting in their clamor for cheap meat. With such incentives, the weakest link is always going to be animals, which by definition have no voice.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone -4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

i feel like you're a tad misinformed. They are super cruel to the animals. They split families up. They kill animals when they're still children. They castrate pigs without anaesthetic. They cut off the beaks of chickens so they don't peck each other. They throw male chicks into a giant masher ALIVE. How is that not cruel beyond cruel?

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So because there are institutional scale cruelties like this, then it doesn't matter that a person in a position high in the American government is bragging about her personal cruelty to animals? I am simply pointing out her failings in this regard and you are telling me what? It doesn't matter what she did because there's already a lot of cruelty out there?