In the last struggle session I saw a lot of insults being hurled and gnashing of teeth towards skeptical people who were replying pretty respectfully. And since the very beginning when he won the primary, perhaps even before that, this intense defensiveness was present even though no one was really criticizing the guy until he started capitulating. So nah, its not about that IMO.

Idk why people need to take it as a personal attack and defend him for every shitty concession he makes, that's Democrat behavior. Until this guy came up it seems like Mamdani stans were on here were handing the fell-for-it-again-award out to everyone who is to the right of them as well, but now suddenly they just go feral. What were these people's rhetoric towards police before Mamdani came on the scene? It just really really feels like a lot of people are only willing to see what he is doing 54D chess instead of, idk, maintaining hope but also acknowledging that some of what he's doing now is sus.

I think I feel safe to say that most of us skeptics, including myself, really want to see if he sticks to his guns when he wins and we hope he does. but it seems that people think that if you aren't 100% behind him, you're 100% against him and want him to lose which is fucking ridiculous. That's mostly what I take issue with, not the fuckin dude himself, it's peoples behaviors around him and throwing any critical beliefs about electoralism out the window.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

sorry if I seem mad at you ratboy i'm not I'm mad at being called a liberal by OP

[–] ratboy@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

Nah it's all good, I use the Royal "you" all the time lol. I appreciate your clarification though

I see what you're saying even if I personally think that "we are doing the cops work for them" is a bit of a reach.

Yeah he's not in office, but I kinda feel like all politicians and candidates should be held to task every step of the way. If we don't, then what happens? People only hoot and holler with joy and support him no matter what until he's elected, and then recognizing that hes gotten nothing but support even as he backtracks publicly, wouldnt it make sense for him to think that the softening up strategy is how he should keep moving since there was no criticism of it before? I personally would be more vocal about him needing to earn my vote and stick to his principals instead of just forgoing my vote altogether if I did hear criticisms like these.

I have also seen the argument that if he sticks to his guns and doesn't backpedal publicly to the establishment that that would hurt his chances. But what do they even have to do with that? It's the people that are voting, why give so much power to wall street or whatever the fuck. If people were gonna be bought off they would have already, and I really doubt that his popularity has surged due to his rubbing elbows with Blackrock and complimenting the police.

Also I agree with you about this post in particular, that not every single little thing should be scrutinized so heavily but I think it's pretty difficult not to, especially with the whole Bernie Sanders thing back in the day, combined with just.... The history of politics in general

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

my issue is I saw the dude win the primary, saw the bourgeoisie poop their pants over it in a very genuine seeming way, saw them try and fail to smear the guy for months, so, idk, with that as the backdrop it seems to me like this is a very obvious and apparently quite successful attempt to bleed his actual leftist support by making him out to be a sell-out

the election isn't even over, I don't think it helps anything remotely resembling left wing politics to help our enemies by leaping to be critical of him when, again, the election isn't even fucking over. Let's say everyone suddenly agrees with OP and sees him as a sellout, whatever support he has collapses, and the idfk Cuomo or Silwa or Adams wins. good job, that's all this criticism really helped do!

some people might take this as me being 100% defending him or whatever but my position is "idk maybe shut up about him until the election is over, see what he actually does as mayor instead of what he does to get elected, since it doesn't really fucking matter until then"

like christ do you honestly think it's a good thing for people to literally, literally in the case of OP, say that he's 100% sold out "because he's seen standing next to elizabeth warren?" that's fucking absurd and what really gets me is it's coming from a crowd whose opinion towards electoral politics is "it's all fucking useless anyway." I don't need the "electoralism is useless" crowd to tell me out of one side of their mouth that voting is pointless, then out of the other that this guy is a sleeper agent here to steal our votes for the Democrats