my issue is more that there are obvious and inherent flaws with the idea of "get socialists elected as Democrats" that are manifesting before our eyes, as they have done many times before, and that all the organising it took to get him to this point will end up being a counter-productive waste as well as legitimising the right wing of the DSA. like yeah we shouldn't be aiming to put socialists in positions where they have to smile and shake hands with pigs.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Socialists and many on this site can’t come to a consensus on what to do with the the police, look at the opinions on this very website during BLM.

Here he said something that essentially boils down to let’s cut back on police by saying ‘we need to make police less involved with things’.

yeah we shouldn't be aiming to put socialists in positions where they have to smile and shake hands with pigs.

Do we have guns? Are we aligned with paramilitary groups? No, we’re not even fucking close, so I think holding back on antagonizing one of the most powerful state backed militant groups before even gaining power is a good idea whether you’re a Democrat, DSA, or Communist

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

so we need to get guns and build paramilitary organisations, then, before messing in electoralism or anything else. for that we need to avoid legitimising electoralism, because people are going to choose that over armed action, because it's far easier and feels safer. maybe what's been going on in LA to counter the ICE raids would be worth learning from, rather than focusing on electing people to positions where they have to work with the police who support ICE.