We're not talking about art of the sake of art here. We're talking about a political ideology and the art associated with promoting its values. The issue I have is that solar-punk sells a vision of a comfortable society while ignoring the labour that underpins it. In my view, the recognition of the central role of labour in society has to be part of any genuinely socialist aesthetic.

The problem is that solar-punk is entirely compatible with social fascism. It sells a vision of a comfortable society that sweeps labour that underpins its functioning under the rug. This is largely how the west functions already. We outsource labour to the global south where it's brutally exploited, but then peddle the whole Nodric "socialism" where the exploiters live in comfort.

The recognition of the role of labour in society has to be part of any genuinely socialist aesthetic.

Wow, all the images of Shibam have no people in them. Yemen is cancelled for being fascist.

Maybe if we inserted some Western consumerism and planned obsolescence, they could be perpetually engaged in construction work like we are in the West.

All you have to do to not be fascist is build things that are not made to last, so you always have a need for more glorious labor that replaces what has already been built. Easy.

20-hour work week? 10-hour work week? But then where are all the workers going to be appearing? This economic projection of a reduction of socially necessary labor input, to maintain an objectively decent quality of life for a stable number of people, is fascist.

And FALGSC must be the most fascist thing there is. Everybody has the cool cosmonaut avatars and the banner images of people flying through space alongside rockets, but no one has a banner image of people working in the factories to make the space suits and the rockets, or mining the metals for them.

'oh but he has a hammer and sickle symbol in his fist'

If I slap some ivy on a brick wall in a hammer and sickle shape, would that make you happy? But I still wouldn't call that solarpunk to much of a coherent extent, though. Certainly, the aesthetic does blend with others, but solarpunk distinguishes itself coherently from cyberpunk and futurism to the degree that it incorporates human-scale, appropriate technology, and living systems. Putting a couple trees on the outside of the Burj Dubai is a strawman.

The only way it's not fascist is if *checks notes* you constantly have a massive number of labor hours being invested into something.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Bravo, you really put a lot of effort into that straw man.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Speak for yourself, with this entire post.

No investigation into key tenets or even correlates, just vibes and Twitter bait.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

Sure yeah that's it.