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Putin is urging women to have as many as 8 children after so many Russians died in his war with Ukraine
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i don't believe you can do that without artificially selecting one part of the populace, but not another, or just having disproportionate impacts. even this comment was written in english, and even if it's well-intentioned, everyone who doesn't read english is not subject to the propaganda in it. by posting it on lemmy, you are also targeting lemmy and the broader fediverse as a demographic. so everyone who's not online is already immune to this propaganda.
Your pushing the boundaries of "propaganda" pretty extensively there. Sure, technically it could apply, but then it applies to any political opinion communicated in any way by anyone, including you.
Of course it won't be communicated equally. Neither will messages encouraging more children, something far more common from current governments. The right wing in this country (and others) explicitly encourages more "white Christian" children because of "replacement theory". That's far more sinister than suggesting that people in general should consider the impact before having more children.
Nothing in reality is ever totally fair, just like no society is ever totally sustainable. A perpetual motion machine is only possible in an ideal world, and so is a sustainable society. We will only ever be able to approximate sustainability, and that will require contributions systemic and cultural changes. That means "propaganda", and it means that some demographics will cooperate more than others, meaning it won't be "fair" regardless of the approach.
but you see how this is exactly what eugenicists would do, right? create propaganda to discourage undesirables from procreating and create ineffective propaganda for their preferred demographic group. the intention doesn't matter, to me. it's all eugenicist propaganda as far as I'm concerned.
You just love that word, "propaganda", but where did "undesirables" come in? I never mentioned targeting anyone, or even running an information campaign at all. I'm pointing out the reality that fewer people would be better. You can't argue against that, so you make a bunch of ridiculous assumptions and attack those.
I think that when this topic is discussed, people should be honest and rational about it. You clearly don't.
I'm pointing out how quickly malthusianism becomes eugenics.
Even as slippery slope arguments go, this is truly pathetic.
are you suggesting I'm too vigilant against eugenicist propaganda? better than laying the groundwork for a genocide, I think.
you ARE running an information campaign.
No YOU are running an information campaign. Fuck this is getting dumb.
yes, i can.
Then I gotta wonder why you haven't. All you've claimed is that there are other options. All things being equal, a world with fewer people needs fewer resources. If we get the whole world on solar, that will still be true. If we get everyone to give up meat, it will still be true. If we stop polluting our waterways it will still be true. You have not argued against that, and you can't do so in any rational way.
this is some ecofascist shit
LOL, sure it is.
I know.
Got anything but ad hominems? You pretty much proved my point.
please don't spread malthusianism.
Please stop throwing around labels like they are arguments.
i think calling your advocacy propaganda rubbed you the wrong way, and you can't see what i'm saying.
I can see what your saying just fine. I'm not the one who's unhinged here.