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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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[–] amber2@hexbear.net 45 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Besides this megathread, what are good places to get info about the Iran situation that aren't totally influenced by mainstream media?

I get most of my geopolitics from Radio War Nerd (I've been kinda checked out over the last few years, I've been focusing on learning history. Revolutions by Mike Duncan is really good) but basically I'm looking for somewhere to go to check

-what just happened

-what kind of retaliations are we expecting

-are we going to war oh fuck oh fuck should I panic

[–] GodDamnAmercia@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

They should just continue engaging Isreal in a war of attraction their air defense's will not last long and the harder they hurt the more incentive they have to cut there losses. Iran should tie any possible agreements with a permanent peace and rebuilding of Gaza I actually think Ignoring the US's provocation or responding with a token response and focusing on Israel to be the sounder move closing the strait of Hormuz is a gamble it could make the US want to cut a deal quickly due to hurting American company's portfolios or make them believe further escalation is the only option.

[–] amber2@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Also hi everyone long time no see. This whole thing seems pretty bad, but also Iran didn't do much last time when trump killed their number 1 general? And, I wonder, will Iranian missiles overwhelm the Israeli anti-missile missiles? Is it possible they run out or something?

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And, I wonder, will Iranian missiles overwhelm the Israeli anti-missile missiles

They already are and have been for days now, there have been daily hits on Israeli military, intelligence, and economic areas (such as C4I, military headquarters, and Haifa oil and electrical facilities)

[–] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

but also Iran didn't do much last time when trump killed their number 1 general?

They gave over 100 amerikan storm troopers brain damage from ballastic missile attacks on u.s. bases. https://www.npr.org/2020/02/11/804785515/109-u-s-troops-suffered-brain-injuries-in-iran-strike-pentagon-says

Irans parliment has apprved the closure of the strait of hormuz, waiting on government approval. I don't think they'll do nothing.

[–] Torenico@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

will Iranian missiles overwhelm the Israeli anti-missile missiles? Is it possible they run out or something?

It is likely yes, but it also depends on a number of factors as well. "Israel" will definitely receive shipments from the US or elsewhere, so their missile defenses will be restocked. On the other hand, "israel" maintains air superiority over western Iran, which means iranian launching sites are being either destroyed or heavily suppressed, which forces Iran to fire ballistic missiles from the eastern region of their country, where "israel" can't reach but the arsenal available becomes limited because not all ballistic missiles have the range to reach "israel" from there.

If Iran fires from their western region it's because the "skies are clear", but the entire area is under constant surveillance by "israel" and also the US. So they might be prioritizing concealment over volume of fire. Not sure if they can fix this situation tbh, their Air Force is rather old and their Air Defense systems have been hit hard.

There are other iranian allies who have not really joined the fight thus far. Ansar Allah has claimed they will support Iran by striking "israeli" and US targets as well, their intentions are good but their capabilities remain limited, let's not forget they just went through a genocide, a famine and a renewed bombing campaign. Hezbollah has also been "silent", their true capabilities after their fighting with the zionists remain a mystery for the time being, they will jump into the fight if Iran feels too overwhelmed but the land link between the two has been completely shut off. Iraq has some pro-Iran militias that could maybe use medium range suicide drones to add up to the volume of fire coming from Iran, but Iraq is a mess too.

This is all without taking into account things like Iran enforcing a blockade on Hormuz or even targeting Saudi oil production or something like that, which would really escalate things.

[–] Crucible@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

American Prestige does good weekly rundowns of the world news. both the RWN guys have been on the conversation format episodes so they're a similar vein but academia brained instead of twitter brained.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

Something Awful, C-SPAM board, the thread called "[I/CU/P/I] Our horrendous leadership could lead us into WW3"